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06-20-2009, 07:58 AM
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 )I believe you are certainly correct. Last edited by RichardSimon; 06-20-2009 at 08:01 AM. 
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06-20-2009, 12:18 PM
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they'll let the whup-ass loose.
But they will lose, not 'loose'
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06-20-2009, 12:36 PM
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I saw that too Frank.
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06-23-2009, 10:32 AM
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Wanted: Lawyer for hire: Fee: starting at $20,000,000.
some of us floated around some numbers and came up with the fact that since CC has been doing auctions for 20 years, and they used to collect higher fees on their auctions, it is quite possible that they have grossed
over $100,000,000 since their inception. Do you think a lawyer or law firm could start a class action suit for all the people who have been ripped off during the last twenty years? With law firms getting from 20 - 33 percent of the collection they could easily make $20,000,000. How great would that be if this was the way to shut down those clowns at Coach's Corner. Looking around the internet I see that If someone wants to start a class action suit, they can visit classactionconnect.com I don't qualify as I have never purchased anything from CC. What do you guys think? Is this a possible way to shut down CC? Mike The Ring Guy.
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06-23-2009, 11:24 AM
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I need to jump in on this as a buyer from CC auctions. I only purchase (and collect) sports related ephemera and not autographs, cards or game used items, etc. That being said, I have gotten some pretty good deals on vintage paper items in their auctions. I am not defending their practices, but I always live by the rule: if it looks like a pig, smells like a pig and sound like a pig..it probably is a pig. If someone believes that a game used autographed bat from Babe Ruth should only sell for a few hundred dollars, who is at fault? I don't believe that all the blame should be put on CC, obviously there are plenty of willing bidders (who all can't be ignorant) who continue to keep them in business auction after auction.
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06-23-2009, 11:29 AM
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Oh no! Let's not blame the criminals, let's blame their victims! Ridiculous (although I think you could have re-worded your sentiments to make them sound better).
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06-23-2009, 11:31 AM
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My point is that not all buyers are victims and not all of CC's items are fakes..is that simple enough?
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06-23-2009, 11:41 AM
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Gullibility, blind trust and lack of knowledge are not crimes. Granted, people who believe that they can buy a bridge in Brooklyn should perhaps be doing something else with their time. They do, however, deserve full refunds and to see justice done. Last edited by BillyCoxDodgers3B; 06-23-2009 at 11:44 AM.
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06-23-2009, 12:02 PM
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Please do not misunderstand me...I do not think that anyone should be allowed to sell fake items. I was simply responding to Mike The Ring Guys post about a class action suit. As consumers and collectors, we should always use common sense, check provenance and do our due diligence when making any kind of purchases (especially on-line). As I stated previously, if it doesn't "smell" good then you should pass. But, most collectors and dealers that I know are always looking for a good deal, that is just human nature (IMO).
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06-23-2009, 01:19 PM
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I was hoping a class action suit could be a way to get these guys out of business.
Yes, some people by good stuff from CC, and some are even thinking of ways to flip the bad stuff and I guess they too are guilty, but I was hoping this could be a way of stopping CC since the FBI may not ever be able to stop them. They may have set up the perfect crime. If it's an inside job and no one talks and they don't talk to outsiders who come along can the FBI ever stop them?
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06-23-2009, 12:09 PM
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I'm sorry but the buyer is no way at fault, possibily guillable, newbie, stupid, etc but not at fault. CC advertises the items as real and even provides COA's that claim they are, CC is clearly breaking the law, along with Morales, etc and one day they will pay. The facts are 99% of the autos are fake, sell for pennys on the dollar of what they would be worth and are pretty much a joke to the real experts in the field.
As far as suiing them and getting 20,000,000 not going to happen, I would be surprised if they even have a 250,000 dollars in the company. They well know what they are doing and the laws they are breaking and its my guess that money goes byebye as soon as they get it. I would bet the owners are already prepared for the day they get busted. I sure hope the day comes where the FBI can link them with a forger and take the whole thing down.
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06-23-2009, 12:12 PM
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06-23-2009, 12:39 PM
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Scott's speculation that the profits disappear in short order could very well be true. Oddly, throughout history, it seems as though nearly all forgers in every field have been perpetually short on funds. Their Achilles heels have mainly been in living the fast life--booze, drugs, gambling. There is no explanation as to why this is has been the case in so many instances. Mark Hoffmann, one of the most financially successful (and dare I say "gifted"?) forgers got rich with his works of deceit. Unlike your usual forger m.o., the main reasons for his behavior stem from a giant, insatiable ego and sheer revenge (which is one of many areas in which his case is rather unique).
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