SCD & Coach's Corner

RichardSimon · #1 06-19-2009, 09:05 AM

"Can you imagine the fun you and I will have in the discovery phase of the suit? That is where my lawyer or lawyers can request documents and other evidence from CC and use the evidence they find to show my comments were not slander.

I bet I could charge admission during the deposition stage".
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How much, hold a ticket for me.
Discovery in a lawsuit is a wonderful thing, nothing is sacred and your atty. can get the names of all of the CC consignors.
And then that e mailer who writes under an anonymous AOL name and who has his mailbox blocked, so you cannot return an answer to him, can actually find out if the four people he is accusing of being CC suppliers are actually CC suppliers.
ps. In case this info is needed at some point in time I want to note it here - John Doe lawsuits can be useful too. When I sued an unknown AOL member for libel I filed suit against John Doe a/k/a ,,,,,,,, AOL was subpoeaned and they immediately coughed up the real name of that person. He and his wife eventually were forced to cough up a tidy sum of money to me.

sports-rings · #2 06-19-2009, 07:33 PM

Richard,

thanks for the explaination. I guess the folks at Coach's Corner have a lot more to loose in starting a liable suit than they can gain. Would you agree?

drc · #3 06-19-2009, 08:33 PM

Oscar Wilde sued a man for libel and was sentenced to two years hard labor.

The long and short of the case is Wilde accused the defendant of libeling him by saying he broke the law. After listening to the testimony, the judge decided that the defendant's statements had been accurate, Wilde had broke the law. The defendant was found not guilty of libel and Wilde was sentence for the law he broke. The courts would never have known of the broken law if Wilde had not brought the libel suit.

RichardSimon · #4 06-20-2009, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sports-rings.com

Richard,

thanks for the explaination. I guess the folks at Coach's Corner have a lot more to loose in starting a liable suit than they can gain. Would you agree?

(libel is the spelling

)

I believe you are certainly correct.

J.McMurry · #5 06-20-2009, 08:09 AM

No Rich, he got it right.

It would be a Liable suit,as in his lawyers are liable to open a can of whup-ass on CC if this proceeds.

FrankWakefield · #6 06-20-2009, 12:18 PM

they'll let the whup-ass loose.

But they will lose, not 'loose'

barrysloate · #7 06-20-2009, 12:36 PM

I saw that too Frank.

sports-rings · #8 06-23-2009, 10:32 AM

some of us floated around some numbers and came up with the fact that since CC has been doing auctions for 20 years, and they used to collect higher fees on their auctions, it is quite possible that they have grossed
over $100,000,000 since their inception.

Do you think a lawyer or law firm could start a class action suit for all the people who have been ripped off during the last twenty years?

With law firms getting from 20 - 33 percent of the collection they could easily make $20,000,000. How great would that be if this was the way to shut down those clowns at Coach's Corner.

Looking around the internet I see that If someone wants to start a class action suit, they can visit classactionconnect.com

I don't qualify as I have never purchased anything from CC.

What do you guys think? Is this a possible way to shut down CC?

Mike The Ring Guy.

ibuysportsephemera · #9 06-23-2009, 11:24 AM

I need to jump in on this as a buyer from CC auctions. I only purchase (and collect) sports related ephemera and not autographs, cards or game used items, etc. That being said, I have gotten some pretty good deals on vintage paper items in their auctions. I am not defending their practices, but I always live by the rule: if it looks like a pig, smells like a pig and sound like a pig..it probably is a pig. If someone believes that a game used autographed bat from Babe Ruth should only sell for a few hundred dollars, who is at fault? I don't believe that all the blame should be put on CC, obviously there are plenty of willing bidders (who all can't be ignorant) who continue to keep them in business auction after auction.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #10 06-23-2009, 11:29 AM

Oh no! Let's not blame the criminals, let's blame their victims! Ridiculous (although I think you could have re-worded your sentiments to make them sound better).

ibuysportsephemera · #11 06-23-2009, 11:31 AM

My point is that not all buyers are victims and not all of CC's items are fakes..is that simple enough?

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #12 06-23-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

. If someone believes that a game used autographed bat from Babe Ruth should only sell for a few hundred dollars, who is at fault?

Sorry, it was this line that really bothered me.

Gullibility, blind trust and lack of knowledge are not crimes. Granted, people who believe that they can buy a bridge in Brooklyn should perhaps be doing something else with their time. They do, however, deserve full refunds and to see justice done.

ibuysportsephemera · #13 06-23-2009, 12:02 PM

Please do not misunderstand me...I do not think that anyone should be allowed to sell fake items. I was simply responding to Mike The Ring Guys post about a class action suit. As consumers and collectors, we should always use common sense, check provenance and do our due diligence when making any kind of purchases (especially on-line). As I stated previously, if it doesn't "smell" good then you should pass. But, most collectors and dealers that I know are always looking for a good deal, that is just human nature (IMO).

smtjoy · #14 06-23-2009, 12:09 PM

I'm sorry but the buyer is no way at fault, possibily guillable, newbie, stupid, etc but not at fault. CC advertises the items as real and even provides COA's that claim they are, CC is clearly breaking the law, along with Morales, etc and one day they will pay. The facts are 99% of the autos are fake, sell for pennys on the dollar of what they would be worth and are pretty much a joke to the real experts in the field.

As far as suiing them and getting 20,000,000 not going to happen, I would be surprised if they even have a 250,000 dollars in the company. They well know what they are doing and the laws they are breaking and its my guess that money goes byebye as soon as they get it. I would bet the owners are already prepared for the day they get busted.

I sure hope the day comes where the FBI can link them with a forger and take the whole thing down.