Are the autograph auth. folks absolute idiots?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I just think there is a volume issue here and that enough customers don't care if their photos or cards have a sticker on the back, especially from a cost basis. If it only costs $8 to have the sticker but $30 to have the encapsulation and you have 15 photos or 16 1987 Topps baseball cards you'd like to get authenticated -- well, that's the real issue. And I don't see PSA/DNA, GAI or JSA giving up on those 15 photos or 16 cards at $8/per. Especially if there is a demand for it, which -- notwithstanding the views of the puritanical pre-war baseball card collector -- there clearly is.

yeah, that's us...the puritanical guys that don't like our items destroyed. I am about as puritan as Hugh Heffner (I wish )

[T206Collector]

Ha. I hope you know I was referring to all of us. We have very strict requirements for keeping our cards unadulterated. Erasures and water soaking are permitted by some, and all of us find wrinkle pressing, coloration, restoration, etc. to be taboo. etc. etc. Applying these standards to stickers on 8 x 10s of [insert modern player name here] is like apples and oranges, is my point.

[Leon]

I could see your point on my title and have changed it......I still hate those darn stickers though....and my only ones were done by JSA......

[bijoem]

aren't all autographs forgeries anyway?

who cares if there is a sticker on an a card that is MK already.

[Potomac Yank]

Some of you would have loved the autographed T206's within the case of a place called Fantasia back in 1990.

The owner of the store ... Dr Koos.

[Rich Klein]

With the initials D.D. Ah yes; great New Yawk area memories

I don't have them anymore -- but if you have SCD's from the 80's -- make sure to read their old ads.

Rich

[T206Collector]

...at Fantasia and Dragon's Den when I was a teenager in the late 1980s. One of the guy's who worked at/ran Dragon's Den, Mark Rubin, has been owner/proprietor of American Legends across the street on Central Ave. for over a decade now. (He used to call it One If By Cards, Two If By Comics, which I thought was a much more fun name). You can check his shop out here:

http://www.amerlegends.com/

I certainly agree that autographed T206 cards merit serious scrutiny for obvious reasons. And, wherever possible, I try to have provenance with my collection. The Doyle I showed above was from Jeff Morey himself and I even interviewed him about the autographed cards he sent me, so that I would have as much comfort as possible in my collection of signed T206 cards. (shameless plug - Y'all can hear my interview with him and Lionel Carter on my website.) But it does seem that every time a discussion of signed pre-war cards comes up on this board, so does the name of "Dr. Koos." I find that kind of sad, but not totally unexpected. Frankly, it's the Dr. Kooses of the world that empowered the PSA/DNA and JSA folks.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by bijoem

aren't all autographs forgeries anyway?

no, all autographs are real, I mean somebody had to sign them.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

I still hate those darn stickers though.

ME T!!!