Are the autograph auth. folks absolute idiots?

[HRBAKER]

"....really was it necessary to put the sticker on the front of this?"

It's your guarantee that someone took their best guess!

[Leon]

Then I am unfair. Can we at least agree on that?

[calvindog]

JSA, PSA, who cares who does it - it's idiotic. And if the customer wants the card shredded does that mean JSA or PSA will do it? Just put the damn thing in a slab with the grade up top. PSA and SGC don't give customers the opportunity to have a sticker with the grade of the card put on the back, so why are autographed cards treated differently?

[Doug]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Just put the damn thing in a slab with the grade up top.

That was exactly what I was getting ready to say, but Jeff beat me to it.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JSA, PSA, who cares who does it - it's idiotic. And if the customer wants the card shredded does that mean JSA or PSA will do it? Just put the damn thing in a slab with the grade up top. PSA and SGC don't give customers the opportunity to have a sticker with the grade of the card put on the back, so why are autographed cards treated differently?

A. Agreed as to it being an idiotic practice regardless of who does it. Just think the thread title is misleading or unfair (yes, we agree on that Leon) in that regard.

B. PSA and SGC grade cards -- their job is to protect the card. JSA authenticates and grades autographs -- their job is to authenticate the autograph. Their job functions and business requests are really very different. JSA is not in the business of preserving autographs -- unless you want them to have BVG do it, which they are happy to do. They give an opinion as to the authenticity of a signature and then they need to tie that opinion to the autograph, which could be on an infinitely vast type of media. To not have a sticker service in such a business model would be hazardous to their success. And to limit those stickers to a universe regardless of customer taste seems a bit strange to me.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

B. PSA and SGC grade cards -- their job is to protect the card. JSA authenticates and grades autographs -- their job is to authenticate the autograph. Their job functions and business requests are really very different. JSA is not in the business of preserving autographs -- unless you want them to have BVG do it, which they are happy to do. They give an opinion as to the authenticity of a signature and then they need to tie that opinion to the autograph, which could be on an infinitely vast type of media. To not have a sticker service in such a business model would be hazardous to their success. And to limit those stickers to a universe regardless of customer taste seems a bit strange to me.

Paul, you must be bored today --you're really splitting hairs. With your argument PSA and SGC should then only be responsible for offering opinions on the condition of the card. Why not put a sticker on the backs of the cards with that grade on it? The fact is whether you're authenticating autographs or offering a grade for the card's condition, of paramount importance should be the desire to protect the item. There's simply no good reason why JSA or PSA can't just slab the autographed card with a number at the top. As for larger, non-slabbable items, then a discreet sticker on the back or an accompanying letter should do the trick just fine. This isn't rocket science they're undertaking.

If JSA can authenticate Sal Bando's just signed autograph even though he was 3000 miles away at the time the autograph was signed, then I suspect JSA can figure out this problem as well.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

There's simply no good reason why JSA or PSA can't just slab the autographed card with a number at the top.

1. They do this for a fee.
2. They offer a sticker for less money, and it is up to the customer to decide.
3. If SGC or PSA offered a grading sticker for $1, no one would buy it. That is why they don't offer it.

Customer: Do you have a sticker authentication service?
JSA: It depends on what you want to put the sticker on.
Customer: I want to put it on my baseball card.
JSA: Sorry. We don't put stickers on baseball cards.
Customer: PSA will do it.
JSA: Then go to PSA.

Seriously?

[calvindog]

Yes, and based on the responses in this thread there is major demand for the back of the card sticker. I'm sure many collectors would run to PSA just to get that destructive sticker placed on the backs of their autographed cards.

[Rich Klein]

what I have gathered from the now infamous Sal Bando video.

The rep from JSA was taking a table at the same show that Bando was signing at and thus Bando was no more than a few hundred feet away. Plus; from watching the video -- I suspect the guy from JSA was a bit "set-up" by the reporter.

Should they have checked said autograph better: of course, but the logic of the show dictated that the autograph was good. I bet that a person with your skills as a lawyer could prove damages to JSA for all that

Regards
Rich


If JSA can authenticate Sal Bando's just signed autograph even though he was 3000 miles away at the time the autograph was signed, then I suspect JSA can figure out this problem as well

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by calvindog

JSA, PSA, who cares who does it - it's idiotic. And if the customer wants the card shredded does that mean JSA or PSA will do it? Just put the damn thing in a slab with the grade up top. PSA and SGC don't give customers the opportunity to have a sticker with the grade of the card put on the back, so why are autographed cards treated differently?

Agree with this 100%. The Vintage item has already been through decades of who knows what and now a 3rd party is going to knowingly damage an item with a sticker? What? Common sense please. We want these items to last plenty of more decades into the future.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

"....really was it necessary to put the sticker on the front of this?"

It's your guarantee that someone took their best guess!

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HRB, I luv this thread ... don't you?

[Rich Klein]

But you can get a JSA sticker on an BGS Holder. It's a nicer way to show the autograph AND the card and the autograph is protected. The card looks very nice with the BGS Holder as well.

Rich

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

The card looks very nice with the BGS Holder as well.

I agree -- here is one of my finest examples.

From Autographed T206

[Leon]

My impetus for this thread was to denote the ruining of our cardboard and photo gems, really by any company. It just so happens my only cards and autos with stickers are JSA, so they get the brunt of my rant. Any company that does this should be chastised, again imo.

Why can't the authenticating companies just say something like

" We can authenticate the xxxx piece but to get it certified forever you will need to have it encapsulated....and here are 3 choices to get that done...We aren't in the business to destroy cards or photos so we don't put silly stickers on them anymore" Would it really be that difficult? As I have already said I will still use JSA but the first time they destroy a piece I give them with one of these BS stickers is the last time I would submit to them. And no, of course I won't request for my item to be destroyed with said sticker.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why can't the authenticating companies just say something like . . . . Would it really be that difficult?

I just think there is a volume issue here and that enough customers don't care if their photos or cards have a sticker on the back, especially from a cost basis. If it only costs $8 to have the sticker but $30 to have the encapsulation and you have 15 photos or 16 1987 Topps baseball cards you'd like to get authenticated -- well, that's the real issue. And I don't see PSA/DNA, GAI or JSA giving up on those 15 photos or 16 cards at $8/per. Especially if there is a demand for it, which -- notwithstanding the views of the puritanical pre-war baseball card collector -- there clearly is.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I just think there is a volume issue here and that enough customers don't care if their photos or cards have a sticker on the back, especially from a cost basis. If it only costs $8 to have the sticker but $30 to have the encapsulation and you have 15 photos or 16 1987 Topps baseball cards you'd like to get authenticated -- well, that's the real issue. And I don't see PSA/DNA, GAI or JSA giving up on those 15 photos or 16 cards at $8/per. Especially if there is a demand for it, which -- notwithstanding the views of the puritanical pre-war baseball card collector -- there clearly is.

yeah, that's us...the puritanical guys that don't like our items destroyed. I am about as puritan as Hugh Heffner (I wish )