Old Judge Population question

[Doug]

I've been watching the Bid McPhee cards for several years now and the hands over head and fielding ground ball poses seem to be pop up more than the throwing or batting ones. The SGC population report lists 13 Bid McPhee cards, but since the pop reports don't differentiate poses, I can't really say if that's an actual reflection on the overall population or just what has come up for sale recently.

[bbcemporium]

Doug, it looks like the PSA pop report is showing different variations, maybe this is something they just started, or else I'm reading it incorrectly

[Doug]

It's possible that they started listing them recently. They list one Bid McPhee (batting looking at camera), one John McPhee (Hands High), and 7 John Mcphee cards with no designation.

[Fred]

I wouldn't count on the pop reports for any of the grading companies when it comes to OJs because they never characterized the players by pose in the past therefore if they started to do so now then nobody would know what the true "pose" population is because there wouldn't really be an accurate accounting of the different poses. Regardless of what you may submit for the "year" the card was made the grading companies have not (in the past, at least) published the true year the card was released because they never had the expertise to do so in the past. Doing so now would only confuse the data that they have. The grading companies not only didn't (don't) distinguish by pose they don't really have good grading criteria. It seems that the image quality isn't a criterial for grading. blah, blah, blah... ok, I'll shut up now...

[Joe_G.]

When it comes to Old Judges and grading, most prefer SGC. SGC has now graded over 5,000 Old Judges. SGC population on your 3 HOFers as follows:

HOFer / Qty Graded / Highest Grade
McPhee / 13 / SGC 84
Nichols / 16 / SGC 80 (2 at this level)
Thompson / 41 / SGC 86

It should be noted that a common HOFer can sometimes have tough variations. For example, an 1890 card of Thompson (Philadelphia - NL) can command a premium.

Edited to add we'd like to list of players you have submitted for grading. There are tougher "commons" that can command more than most HOFers.

[bbcemporium]

Here is a list of the commons:

Mike Slattery - Rear back to throw-ball in left
George Wood - Stooping for grounder-Phila.
Ted Larkin - Bat at 90, ball head high, look at camera
Henry Esterday - Col-hands together over head
Owen Patton - Catch, hands cupped chin high, L/foot off ground-Des Moines
Jay Faatz - Throw-Right arm back ball ear high
Jersey Bakley - Pitch, L/arm half concealing face-Clevelands
Ed Silch - Denver-catch-hands reach out head high
Ted Kennedy - P. Omaha's
Joe Miller
Cannonball Crane - Striking, bat nearly horizontal-New Yorks
Hub Collins - Sliding on stomach

I'll post grades when they pop

Thanks for all the input and advice thus far

[bbcemporium]

Here is a pic of the Miller card I have been asked about. Sorry for the poor photo quality, I can provide a better scan when the card gets back from grading. I was unable to find any sales history of this card on VCP, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks