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06-04-2009, 09:48 PM
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Alright.... for the first time ever I've gone to look at the section entitled: "Ebay/Vintage Card Auctions VBC Forum B/S/T."
Anything posted in the last week has been for stuff on eBay, I didn't look more than a week back. I don't think that's the place for me to auction a T206 card. That would be a place for me to hype an eBay auction of mine. I've listed a second one. And it may well be the last one I list since doing it seems to upset some folks. When I do list it, my plan is to sell it to the high bidder... and that is SELLING. I assure you that the card of Wabash George Mullin was deserving of multiple bumps to the top as folks bid, and that that card is now just as SOLD as it would have been if I'd have sold it for $20 postpaid to start with. George Mullin was a bartender back home in Wabash, Indiana in his later days. That should make his card deserving of attention. I do see the sense of what was said about an auctioned card listing having the bids sent via email with the seller 'editing' his original post to continually display the auction price... but there are problems with that. The thread would have no more posts and sink like a stone. If the seller had a life and was therefore unable to constantly update bids on the site then bidders would be frustrated, not knowing where the bidding was. Maybe a solution would be to have a separate Net54 auction thread for each of the extant BST catagories... I don't see jamming what I did into that eBay thread as fair. So I've listed a decent looking T206 of Frank Isbell (did you know he played infield, outfield, and pitched in the majors?), and the concern and posts that have been expressed have convinced me not to try another auction anytime soon. I'm sorry you guys have been inconvenienced by it. One way to make the Isbell aucton go away quickly would be for one of you to bid about $50 for it, more than I think it's worth, that way there would be no more bids and it would sink like a rock. Frank W. Last edited by FrankWakefield; 06-04-2009 at 09:49 PM. 
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06-05-2009, 04:51 AM
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I agree with everybody here.
It's probably not good to have a lot of auctions in the selling threads because of the auctions will get many more natural bumps than the sell threads. They didn't really bother me, but if it got to be more than a handful, it might be too much. It's also probably not good to try to jam them into the ebay area - the ebay threads will get bumped down, plus that will create a bit of a mishmash of dissimilar threads. The area has "Vintage Card Auctions" in the title because it was created as a place to publicize these auctions, not to conduct them. Just having the words in the name doesn't make it the proper place. I think a new area would be a neat thing to try. Clearly there is an interest and a few successful tries already. A new area for auction formats could become a vibrant addition to the BST. Let the creativity play itself out. But something should happen soon. While I agree with the concerns, the fact that the debate has been brought to the board will kill this format and this idea within the next few days. Frank has already said he is done because of the debate, and I'm not sure anyone else will feel comfortable starting an auction over there now since the concerns have been brought up and discussed. We should give the idea and approach a good clear shot before the momentum is gone for good. J
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06-05-2009, 05:08 AM
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All good points. If auctions are becoming popular on BST, then they should have their own section. As previously stated, it isn't fair to the straight sellers to have their threads constantly bumped down.
Of course, if you list an item and state "$500 OBO", in a sense that is an auction too, as you are taking various offers from each buyer.
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06-05-2009, 06:40 AM
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Having thought about this overnight....
If I have a card auction on the BST and it gets 7 bids, I agree it is bumped to the top 7 times. BUT that doesn't knock a straight sale down 7 notches, it only knocks it down one notch. So that bump evil isn't quite as egregious as has been implied. An auction is a sale. Putting them in there with those links to eBay auctions isn't the right place for them. The Isbell T206 auction will be my last one for a while, didn't mean to get folks so riled.
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06-05-2009, 06:47 AM
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Frank, not riled at all, I think auctions are a good thing, I just still think they need a new category. Here's why: you're right that your auction is only one bump and doesn't move sales all the way down the page, but that is the same with EVERY auction that benefits from constant bumping. So, examine the BST page right now, and you'll see Auctions up top, then sales below. And that's how it's going to be with auctions in the sales page, and if there are more auctions, it will be like cream floating to the top, and though every auction is one thread, they will collectively displace the sales. That's the problem as I see it.
Last edited by sgbernard; 06-05-2009 at 07:04 AM. Reason: When I posted this, there were in fact two auctions at the top of the T card BST
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06-05-2009, 08:03 AM
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06-05-2009, 08:18 AM
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Matt- of course there are slight differences, but auctions and direct sales could easily have their own sections. Perhaps the auctions could be placed in the section for ebay and catalog auction announcements.
With regard to straight sales getting bumped down, there is no harm in a seller simply bumping his own thread when he feels it fallen too far down the column. That in turn could bring about a bumping war, with sellers and auctioneers fighting for the top spot. 
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