SCD, Coach's Corner & TS O'Connell

[barrysloate]

34-36 pages is amazingly small, as I can remember a time, circa 1990, when the magazine topped out at about 400 pages. Probably the best thing that anyone can do is contact the FBI and let them know exactly what is going on. My understanding is they already know about CC, but they do move slowly. In time CC will be gone, and hopefully prosecuted too.

[J.McMurry]

As I said in another post, I think the trick is that the FBI has to prove that CC is knowingly selling fakes before they can nail them.
They cant nail Stat or CM for being lousy authenticators,otherwise Don F. would be in year 8 of a life prison sentence.
I've always had a feeling that CC knows exactly how to play this game so as to stay just outside of the laws reach.

[tinkereversandme]

The person who wrote the above hit it the nail on the head.

There are over 1,000 page views for this forum thread and I wonder if the circulation rate of the one fine periodical mirrors that figure today. Does anyone know what the circulation rate is?

Larry

[tothrk]

I cancelled my subscription years ago because of CC. I never had any intention of bidding with them because the stuff was obvious junk. I got tired of receiving my issue which consisted of a cover page, 78156 pages of CC garbage, and a closing cover page.

[shelly]

One of the main reasons Rocky left SCD was that they allowed Morales and STAT to authenticate for CC. When I worked for Tracer Code we where sent about 250 pieces from CC only two passed. We where fired two weeks later. The same items that we turned down where sold two months latter. They where authenticated by Morales. If SCD trust Morales and STAT so much, why are they not using them instead of Jsa and Psa? Here is STAT's authentication statement.Verification
- STAT Authentic, an LLC registered in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, renders a service in expressing our opinion and knowledge, however, STAT Authentic LLC and its partners/employees does not guarantee the accuracy of our opinion expressed regarding any items submitted for authentication. We assume no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage allegedly sustained as a result of any opinion rendered.

STAT Authentic LLC is in no way liable for personal loss due to damage alteration or any other reason once this item leaves our possession.

This should give you a great feeling of security.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by shelly

- STAT Authentic, an LLC registered in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, renders a service in expressing our opinion and knowledge, however, STAT Authentic LLC and its partners/employees does not guarantee the accuracy of our opinion expressed regarding any items submitted for authentication. We assume no liability whatsoever for any loss or damage allegedly sustained as a result of any opinion rendered.

STAT Authentic LLC is in no way liable for personal loss due to damage alteration or any other reason once this item leaves our possession.

This should give you a great feeling of security.

Guess what?

PSA and JSA live by similar disclaimers.

They are responsible for nothing but cashing the checks.

Third-party "authentication" is bunk. Educate yourself before you buy.

[keithsky]

What a way for Stat to get out of being liable for anything with the legal wording they use. I guess Joe Blow from Kokomo when he starts an authentication company can use the same words Stat does and he won't have to take any responsibility. The authentication companies used to put in there certs that the "item was guaranteed authentic". Now "it's our opinion" What's next "it's my wildest guess"

[David Atkatz]

From the Collector's Universe site (Parent of PSA/DNA):

CU MAKES NO WARRANTY THAT (i) THE CU PRODUCTS OR ANY OTHER PORTION OF THE SERVICE WILL MEET YOUR REQUIREMENTS, (ii) THE SERVICE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE, ERROR-FREE OR FREE OF VIRUSES OR OTHER HARMFUL COMPONENTS, (iii) THE RESULTS THAT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE OF ANY CU PRODUCTS OR ANY OTHER PORTION OF THE SERVICE WILL BE ACCURATE OR RELIABLE, (iv) THE QUALITY OF ANY SERVICES OR INFORMATION OBTAINED BY YOU THROUGH THE SERVICE WILL MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, AND (V) ANY ERRORS IN THE SITE OR SOFTWARE WILL BE CORRECTED.

From the PSA FAQ:

Q: Do you guarantee that the autographs you certify are genuine and those you do not are fake?
A: No. We do not guarantee autographs under the Vintage Certified program. By using this program, you are paying for the opinion of the top experts in the world, using state-of-the-art examination tools and techniques.

From the JSA site:

Certification and authentication involves an individual judgment that is subjective and requires the exercise of professional opinion, which can change from time to time. Therefore, JSA makes no warranty or representation and shall have no liability whatsoever to the customer for the opinion rendered by JSA on any submission.

Still think your piece is "guaranteed authentic"?