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[jmk59]

I'm with JimVB - every word and even every syllable of his last post.

Shut up Aric.

Joann Kline

[Rob D.]

I have no problem with the public post that was made regarding the authenticity of the item, but I'm surprised that Bob (or someone else at the auction house) wasn't sent an e-mail at the time the post was made.

Quite honestly, it's not like you can expect an auction house to make public why an item is pulled, so the post on the board helps educate and inform collectors in the event the item shows up in a different auction or on eBay at a later date. But not sending an e-mail to the auction house expressing your concerns is a questionable decision at best.

[Aric]

Okay, I may have overreacted and been a bit harsh and for that I apologize. My problem does not lie in that a bogus item made its way into the auction's catalog. I realize that happens in even the best and most prestigious auction houses. And I am sure Bob would have removed the item once it's authenticity was brought into question.

My problem lies in the calls for this to be kept private. There is too much fraud and deceit in our hobby for these things to be hidden away anymore. The good guys are sitting right next to the bad guys and who knows which is which any more. The only way we, the collector and hobbyists, can arm ourselves is with information.

[calvindog]

Aric is right. No knock to Bob who is by all accounts a very decent guy. And certainly the auctioneer should have been alerted via email. That being said, outing this possibly very large fraud was the correct thing to do.

[jmk59]

Wow Aric. Nice post. Thanks. And I'm not saying nice post b/c you agree or disagree with any particular opinion, but because in only your third post you were able to be look objectively at your position. I would have lost a lot of money betting that your next post would have been aggressive belligerent. Guess I'm just too cynical these days!

Thanks again, and I apologize for being so crabby too.

J

[Leon]

I am not sure anyone is against outing this, or any auction, that is potentially tainted. It's just the way it's done that is in question.

[wonkaticket]

Nothing was wrong with the way it was brought up.

Bob had enough energy to post the auction and hype it here.

His team had enough time to make and post YouTube videos for the bogus item.

Heck even Bob had enough time and forethought according to him too compare this questionable item to the Heritage item which I find shocking that Bob didn’t say hmm same pin holes and marks etc…hmm?

But because Jerry didn’t email Bob and I didn’t go running down Bob to outline my quick overview in a response to a fellow members question of an item so bad Ray Charles would have raised an eyebrow.

We now did something wrong?

So laughable.

Another side here for you guys to think about if Bob doesn’t have time to check the board everyday ok. But what makes you guys think Jerry and I have time to chase down auction houses we have day jobs too?

I post here for pleasure not profit, perhaps I just posted and went about my day not unlike Bob, and what a whopping few days went by...

Last I checked my day job doesn’t involve auctioning baseball cards and related items or cause me to post here to drive business to my front door.

Jerry asked a public question to a public post and I added my two cents.

Anyone who felt Bob needed to be emailed I think your computers work as you guys must have been using them to read the thread so why didn’t you email Bob if it was all so important?

Cheers,

John

P.S. I wonder if SCD has time to cash advertising checks from Coaches Corner?…LOL (kidding)

[wonkaticket]

Also Leon as an advertiser and customer I would have thought you would have emailed Bob already?

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

But what makes you guys think Jerry and I have time to chase down auction houses we have day jobs too?

I was thinking more along the lines that a simple e-mail, which could have simply contained a link to this thread and a mesaage of "You might want to look into this," would have fit the bill.

Total time required: I'm guessing less than a minute. Maybe two.

Edited to add: I'll reiterate that I'm glad to see the information about a bad item posted here and appreciate it. I just don't think it was beyond reason to think that an e-mail could have been sent, if only as a courtesy. Even taking into account everybody's day jobs.