Even the so called good guys...ugly hobby?

[barrysloate]

What's especially troubling to me is that Kevin had become a part of our community, and often went to great lengths to make contributions to our knowledge of card doctoring. Some may remember his Net54 seminars where he showed everyone how cards were made and cut at the factory, and how to distinguish an original card from a tampered one. Unlike Patrick Chan, a shadowy figure who hid behind the anonymity of his website, Kevin was one of the guys, and while maybe not universally embraced was at least respected by nearly everyone for his knowledge of paper restoration.

But to see his email is really a form of betrayal. It's kind of the Bernie Madoff syndrome, where someone you thought you could trust turned out to be a totally different person.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Barry I suspect if there were more transparency in the business we would feel betrayed by a lot of folks we now trust.

[barrysloate]

Peter- you are probably correct.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I suspect if there were more transparency in the business we would feel betrayed by a lot of folks we now trust.

Peter,

You're probably correct, but please let me live in my little, isolated, paradise world, just a little bit longer!

[Peter_Spaeth]

You and me both.

[nolemmings]

"If this was any other person on here they would be outraged by these comments." Huh? Who is/was "any other person"? Please elaborate.

"It's very clear some folks are only happy after they get ripped off to be made aware of issues." Ridiculous.

"This is a discussion that any person who is of a trustworthy nature doesn't make comments like the above." Perhaps, maybe even probably.

"I will also say I'm a bit turned off by anyone who so defends said comments or shrugs them off as no big deal." And I'm a bit turned off by people who post private emails.

"People of this community should be outraged. Many folks welcomed Kevin with open arms to target any members of this forum because he has a beef with them is childish and silly regardless of if you think Kevin was blowing steam or really up to no good!" Childish and silly, yes. Add disappointing and upsetting. Outrageous? No.

"Also any business who has openly supported Kevin etc. should also beside themselves with these comments." That's your opinion.

"It's a signal flare to all be warned about Kevin thats all take what ever information you can from this, draw whatever conclusions you may." Except that we've just been told that we should be outraged, businesses should be outraged, and that you'll be turned off if we are anything less. IOW, let me tell you how you should or must feel, but in the spirit of altruism I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

"Just be warned if you have any dealings planned with Kevin....take warning or go about your business and if all works out great...if not...well you own fault." Same as it ever was.