E92 vs E101 vs E102

[E93]

Originally Posted by Matt

Jim - why not then group E101 with E102 in the same classification? E105 probably belongs in this discussion as well - E106 was produced many years later so less deserving IMO.

Because the wording on the back of them seems to indicate they are different sets (See scans above.).

My personal opinion is they should probably all be considered different: Dockman, Nadja, Croft's Cocoa, Crofts Candy (I would consider Black, blue, and red to be variations within the set), Set of 25, Set of 50, Mello Mints, etc.

[E93]

Leon,
That Egan write-up is awesome. Thanks for sharing.
JimB

[philliesphan]

Leon:

What's the deal with Niagara D355's? Was there a huge number of these back in the day, and they have since just rested in private collections? Given how infrequently they are seen in the last twenty years, it is hard for me to envision how this set was catalogued by Egan and discussed forty years ago, when other caramel sets, like the E104s, are ignored...

[barrysloate]

I've also wondered about the E92 set and why three distinct brands (I'm grouping Croft's and Crofts and Allen as one) were all part of the same set.

Regarding the D355 I doubt they were ever widely distributed. They are no more than an E102 back with an overprint stamp, suggesting that their supply was very limited. Also, given the recent overprint fiasco, that's another card that one would need to be really careful about.

[Leon]

Barry [quote=Also, given the recent overprint fiasco, that's another card that one would need to be really careful about.[/quote]

And I think we need to be careful about all pre-war cards in nmt-mt or better. Overprints I am not so worried about...It's the underprints that have me going..;.

Marc- Egan actually catalogued 6 different D355's to the point that he knew they existed.

[phlflyer1]

Originally Posted by Leon

And I think we need to be careful about all pre-war cards in nmt-mt or better.

For you, Leon... Sorry, couldn't resist...

[Matt]

Scott - Wow!

[Peter W Thomas]

As someone struggling to put all of these sets together, I don't think that there are 62 Nadja's. In past posts for discussion, board feedback has confirmed 57 Nadja's. Ty Cobb has been seen by at least 2 people (very strange that Cobb would be so scarce - no graded Cobb). Other cards that have not been graded are Evers and Kleinow, but seen by reliable members. 5 additional cards have not been graded or confirmed by personal knowledge of board members are: Bob Bescher, Wild Bill Donovan, Larry Doyle (with Bat) & Heinie Zimmerman. I now think that there might only be 60 Nadja's - making the so called E92 group Dockman 40 cards, Croft's Candy & Cocoa 50 cards each, and Nadja's 60 cards.

[phlflyer1]

Barry,

I know many collectors lump Crofts Candy and Croft's Cocoa (Montague & Co) together but they are advertisements for two different companies and, as such, should be kept separate, IMO.

Peter,

Good to see you on the new board here. I sent you an email a week or so back. Hope you are doing well. I'll try and shoot you another email before the end of the week.