Red Cobb survey of all its 30 backs....post your inputs ?

[tedzan]

Thanks for your 7 red Cobb inputs. That is quite a collection....and now, we have attained the 200+ milestone.

I will update the list later today.

TED Z

[tedzan]

Adding a 1910 Coupon red Cobb and 12 more T206 new inputs......thanks everyone.










..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..1....T213-2
..1....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/14/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..6....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG

Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..6....SOVEREIGN 350
..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..7....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI
16....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

33....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
18....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
36....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
22....POLAR BEAR


We have a T206 total of 206 inputs.......BINGO....we have finally exceeded 200+ red Cobb's. I'm proud of all
of you that participated in this survey.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[sando69]

this thread needs a jump start, so...
ted-
please add another sweet cap 460 factory 42 to the list.

furthermore, is it not perhaps time to discuss tweeking the scarcity list somewhat?
i would even suggest adding at least one more category...

nearly impossible.....broadleaf, drum, hindu, uzit
scarce.....................carolina brights, cycle 460, el principe de gales, lenox, sovereign 460
tougher...................american beauty, cycle 350, p 460/42, sovereign 350, sc 350/25, sc 460/25-42-42 op, tolstoi
easy.......................old mill, p 460/25, polar bear, sc 460/30
easiest....................p 350, sc 350/30 (since these two backs account for over 38% of all red cobbs surveyed, do they not deserve their own "common" category?)

[tedzan]

Thanks for your input....I thought this thread had vanished.

But, since you bumped it back, I will update it tomorrow, as I have 10 more new inputs to add to this survey.
And, I'll give your advice some consideration.


TED Z

[E93]

Why is Piedmont 460 Factory 42 listed in the "scarcest" group when the survey shows it is much more common than all but one of the backs in the next easier category?
JimB

[tedzan]

You guys are picky, picky.....but, I'll tell you what....I will modify the "scarcity" levels when I update this survey
later today.

Thanks for your suggestions.

TED Z

[tedzan]

Nine new T206 red Cobb inputs......thanks everyone.










..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..1....T213-2
..1....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/26/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..6....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..6....SOVEREIGN 350
..3....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

16....OLD MILL
19....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
10....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

34....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
38....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
24....POLAR BEAR


We have a T206 total of 217 inputs.......BINGO....we have finally exceeded 200+ red Cobb's. I'm proud of all
of you that participated in this survey.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey guy and gals....Does anyone have a Red HINDU or a UZIT....T206 red Cobb....to report here ? ?


UPDATED upon request to include Red Cobb new inputs from 5/26 to 6/26 across all the 30 T-advertising backs











Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/26/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/26/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..8....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
21....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
15....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

52....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
20....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 266 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Maybe I missed it in the thread but why is there no AB 460 possible?

Also, Is it possible that the Piedmont 42's, were printed on one or sheet with the Cobb double or triple printed? This would explain why there is so many. If there was 2 different print runs (350/460 and 460 only) and they were double printed this would actually make a 4 to 1 ratio on them.

Lee

[tedzan]

Re..P460/42, in prior post here I noted that I strongly feel that the Red Cobb was doubled-printed with this back.

Re..AB 460
None of the 6 super-prints (of which the Red Cobb is one) are found with the AB 460 back. These 6 cards were first
printed in the 350-only Series with the AB 350 (Frame) back. Subsequently, Amer. Litho. extended these 6 subjects
into the 460 Series.

Since they were initially printed with the AB 350 (Frame) back, they cannot exist with an AB 350 (No Frame) nor an
AB 460 (No Frame) backs.

TED Z

[rman444]

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/169.html

[sando69]

wow... an increase of 49 inputs in just one month!
you must have been scouring ebay for data.
thanks again for all the work you have done on this and for sharing it with us.
personally, i just love this thread!
noticed that the total number of polar bear subjects has been reduced by 4, to 20...
if this is accurate, would those numbers not suggest that p350 & sc 350/30 do, in fact, deserve their own "easiest" category, and that polar bear should be included with the "easier" backs that exhibit similar totals?

[camlov2]

I have seen a handful of threads regarding certain cards and their backs....

one question, Does it make sense to count cards that the owner no longer has?
Couldn't these cards have been passed to another Net54 member and be counted twice?

I am new to the boards so I don't know how much turnover there might be within the group.

[tedzan]

Thanks for catching the POLAR BEAR discrepancy. There were 5 new Red Cobb's with the PB back in the latest tally,
which raised the total to 29. I must have typed the "0" key instead of the "9" key when I inputted this data.

The easiest ones........UPDATED 6/28/09

53....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR



TED Z

[tedzan]

Thanks for your input of the Sweet Caporal 350/30

My guess is that Peter Lorre or Sidney Greenstreet from Casablanca will chime in with that elusive UZIT back.
Until then........





Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....

[tedzan]

You asked......
"Couldn't these cards have been passed to another Net54 member and be counted twice?"

I have diligently taken measures to avoid any double-counting of Red Cobb's. Therefore, I am 99% certain
that this has not occurred in this survey.

But, if I'm off by 1% here....that amounts to only 2.6 cards that have been double-counted. I consider this
an acceptable margin of error.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey guy and gals....Does anyone have a Red HINDU or a UZIT....T206 red Cobb....to report here ? ?


UPDATED upon request to include Red Cobb new inputs from 5/26 to 6/26 across all the 30 T-advertising backs











Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/28/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..1....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/28/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..8....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
21....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
15....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

53....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 266 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[BobbyVCP]

Just wanted to let you know that at VCP we have added more back sets to track. Before listed as a common back but now has it's own set are..

American Beauty Frame
American Beauty No Frame
EPDG
Polar Bear
Old Mill
Soveriegn
Tolstoi

Right now all live listings are showing up under the new sets. We are in the process of moving the historical data from the old listing and sorting and sending it to the correct place.

I think there should be good information for you to use.

[tedzan]

....is the first Victory Cobb and it has been tallied.

Thanks Jim,

TED Z

[sando69]

this will be extremely helpful!
the sole suggestion i would add, would be to split sovereign into two separate backs, 350 and 460, as you have already done with cycle.

[tedzan]

"And, the beat goes on"......

Nine more Red Cobb inputs will be tallied later today.


T-Rex TED

[tedzan]

These three T206 backs have yet to be confirmed......anyone here have any of these ?

BROAD LEAF 350

Red HINDU

UZIT


NOTE......The Red Cobb was not printed with the AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 back.

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Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/30/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..1....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/30/09

Scarcest group......

..0....BROAD LEAF 350
..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..2....DRUM
..3....EPDG
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..0....UZIT


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (frame)
..1....CYCLE 350
..9....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
22....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
17....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

57....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
48....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 275 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



T-Rex TED

[Rob D.]

Ted,

Not sure if this is the type of confirmation you're seeking. From REA's 2009 auction:

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2009/169.html