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05-12-2009, 08:28 AM
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tim
Nice work so far. The other blue background Old Put I am aware of is one that I did see a scan of. There is no refuting I saw it. As a matter of fact I know it belong(ed) to an employee of a card dealer, I think Kit Young. He had sent a scan several years ago when we were talking about them on the board at that time. I agree with Adam W too, if these aren't your cup of tea, that is fine. The fewer collectors of them the less they will cost us ...
 ..... As I have said before, and you have made a point of too, I do think provenance on overprints is a good thing. Last time we had this discussion about E94's I called Rob L and asked him about them, since he's been in the hobby around 30-35 yrs. He told me he has found E94 overprints in virgin collections and is sure they are legit. My Oh You Fan E94 came, second hand thru Tom B., from a guy that barely knew what he had. At least 7-8 of my exact E94 overprints are shown in Lipset's Encyclopedia as I got them from one of his auctions many years ago. That book is 25 yrs old so having pics of them in there is as good as it gets for provenance. I bought those 8 (of the 10 I own) in his auction, for $8800, which was a record high price at the time. All of them were sent in 1 toploader, stacked on top of each other. I would venture to guess there are many more Old Puts and E94 overprints that are not even known about, still in old original collections.
Last edited by Leon; 05-12-2009 at 09:39 AM. Reason: typo 
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05-12-2009, 09:28 AM
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Leon, there probably are more E94 overprints in collections (I found one myself on a card recently which I had forgotten about) but I doubt there are too many more Old Puts. (At least for now, I am still wondering about possible forgeries in the future because of the seeming ease of creating a rubber stamp to make them).
I agree with leon, provenance is important...
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05-12-2009, 09:31 AM
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As I recall my Old Put Clarke was pictured in the SCD catalogue for a couple of years, don't know if it is still pictured in the current catalogue or not. You have to have the tobacco card designation to find it since Old Puts have their own tobacco card designation now (can't for the life of me remember what it is)
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05-12-2009, 09:41 AM
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Wasn't there an Old Put on eBay a few years back being sold by a person who didn't know what they had? I can remember the card being in poor shape and the Old Put overprint was barely visable, but was there. I think the card was won by a board member.
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05-12-2009, 12:22 PM
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I agree with Bob. I think there are more E94 overprints out there than Old Put cards.
Jon: That's the blue Dooin that I won on ebay a couple years ago. It looks like it's been water damaged, but even though faded I can tell it's a legitimate stamp. Rob
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05-12-2009, 06:49 PM
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3 more to add
The person I was alluding to earlier still reads the board and sent these to add to our list. They go fairly far back. He had told me where he got them and it's one of my favorite dealers to buy esoteric stuff from, Ron Vitro.....what a great guy....
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05-12-2009, 08:40 PM
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Very interesting!! Thanks Leon for digging that info up.
That makes two Dooin blue Old Puts and two Brown with red background unless it's the same example as Tim has.
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