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05-12-2009, 05:20 AM
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Joe P.
Just my opinion, of course, but I believe there are many skilled people out there taking creases and wrinkles out of cards, flattening corners, and even trimming and that a not insubstantial percentage of these cards are, for whatever reason (beyond the subject of this post), getting past the major grading services. I think this happens across the board and is not confined to higher grade cards.
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05-12-2009, 10:21 AM
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Your point is valid, and true, but you must also agree that the point and subject of my post, is based on the fact that some dealers back in 1990 were alerted, and told about a malignant growth in the hobby/business ... Dr Koos (Danny Dupchek). Mark Macrae flew down from California, and I from NYC. We met at the Texas national, and the first thing that hits us, is a dealer that has a Dupchek special on his table ... we find out that he obtained it from another dealer at the show ... It took us a long time to convince the dealer that the card was not Kosher ... because it looked good to him ... now where have we heard that before?  ... He eventually got his money back.Peter, you mention cards of extreme rarity, and higher grade cards. You may have missed Scot Reader's post of 2006. In it, he tells about an encounter with Dr Koos back in 2003. The Koos creations that he speaks about ... the T206 Bell, Ewing and Mattern. Extreme rarities they're not. The point of this thread is: Back in 1990, Macrae, and a collector, with the great support of Lew Lipset, Larry Fritsch, my couselor Herman Kaufman (BTW, recommended to me by Bill Mastro at a Parrsipany NJ show in 1990.) I got my money back ... but getting the money back was NOT enough. Computers were not in fashion then ... so I went to Texas. I get PO'd, when some one messes with MY HOBBY! Peter, thanks again for your response. Joe
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05-12-2009, 12:31 PM
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I did not mean to suggest that I had any doubt about the veracity of your story, only to suggest that in broader context, I see much bigger and more widespread problems currently.
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05-12-2009, 12:57 PM
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05-12-2009, 01:00 PM
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I agree with Peter that the greater concern is the alterations of cards that go on everyday without much notice. And Joe, there are plenty of sleazeballs out there who alter cards or create fraudulent ones. New ones are popping up everyday. Imagine how many more are never caught.
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05-12-2009, 02:02 PM
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No one disagreed with Peter's view, especially some one who has dealt directly with a slime ball, and is not an attorney. Maybe I'm not making my point clear? Let me try a slightly different approach. Let me go back to the late 1930's, and '40's, and draw on the more crystal clear direct East Spanish Harlem colloquialism. First, we concentrate on the ONES we catch. If we catch a crook, culprit, con man, scum bag ... and you want to make a statement, an impression, convey wisdom to the slime ball ... Do You? 1. Bury your head in the ground like an ostrich, and hope that he goes away? 2. Slap him on the wrist? 3. Or stomp him? Gentlemen, we know that there are others out there, I'm talking about the ones that we catch. We can only make a statement VIA the ones we catch! Gentlemen, again I thank you. Joe
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