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05-10-2009, 07:25 PM
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As someone who has only been collecting pre-war cards for a little over a year now, this really sucks. I can pick out the obvious fakes but when it comes to less common t and e cards I'm sometimes weary of raw and I stick to slabbed examples. Now I know there are people out there slabbing fakes just for shits and giggles. Yeah this guy belongs in jail and should be deported when he's released. Ridiculous.
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05-10-2009, 07:50 PM
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Thought there were two E94 fake overprints. I stand corrected.
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05-10-2009, 07:56 PM
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BS
This so called apology is total BS. Sure, he is sorry now that he has been exposed. Charges need to filed. He needs to be in jail.
My guess is that more and more shady deals will be exposed as time goes on. Rick
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Rick McQuillan T213-2 139 down 46 to go.
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05-10-2009, 08:01 PM
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FRANK WARD my very dear friend. Your scans were more helpful than you can imagine and please accept my STRICT apology for not mentioning your name.
Your scans were crucial to the entire investigation and you desrve a ton of credit!!! John and Jim will back me on this for sure. My apologies to my dear old friend but please find sanctuary in knowing you truly helped in catching this miserable scum bag thief! Dan
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05-10-2009, 08:27 PM
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Wow - You miss a day on the board and look what happens. Chan's explanation of why he created those cards isn't worth the bandwidth he used to post it. The fact is, like most of us all have stated is that it is simply pathetic and, professionally speaking, I would love to use it in cross-examination.
As a collector, though, it is sad and I tend to agree with Barry about the repercussions of this fraud. Just like a "certificate of authenticity" is only as good as the ethics of the expert signing it, this is a reminder that a graded card is no better than the eyes, expertise and ethics of the grader. Sad all the way around. Two further thoughts: Jeff - If Chan tries to retain you and tries to pay you with a Cobb back, you might want to think about that... And, I think proper casting for the telenovella of this fiasco means that Bond73/Chan be played by... Alan Rosen
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05-10-2009, 08:59 PM
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I've been watching these threads for a couple of days now, and after reading all this, here's my opinion:
1) I don't recall there being any broken English on T206museum.com. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but the person who wrote that website seemed to write fairly well. Perhaps Mr. Chan should have used his copy editor prior to starting this thread. 2) Anyone who deliberately tries to dupe a grading company with a homemade Franken-card is not helping the hobby. Anyone who tries to do that is an ass. 3) Mr. Chan doesn't belong in jail, but that's only because he got caught too soon. That card would have been sold in REA if it wasn't discovered first - not because it made REA more "complete" but because it was an opportunity for Mr. Chan to make some cash. 4) If you can fool a grading company or an auction house with a phony overprint or underprint or error card or variation, that doesn't impress me. At all. And it doesn't cause me to lose faith in the grading companies, either. All it does is show me you're an ass. It reminds me of the idiots who try and sneak a knife past airport security, then go on the news to tell everyone how they did it. Want to help airport security? Look for suspicious behavior, be quiet, do the things you're supposed to do, behave. Want to be an ass? Smuggle a knife in your carry-on and then crow about how bad airport security is. They may not be 100% foolproof, but they're keeping you much safer than you'd be if they weren't there, and all your ridiculous yammering is just putting ideas in other people's heads. I can understand the desire to want to fly safely, but there are more effective ways of helping than by trying to make them look incompetent. Guys like Wonka are more helpful to the hobby than armchair scientists like Mr. Chan could ever hope to be. -Al Last edited by Al C.risafulli; 05-10-2009 at 09:18 PM.
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05-10-2009, 09:06 PM
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Restitution...
I have a suggestion for restitution. If Mr. Chan would consign his T206 collection to a major auction house with the proceeds going to a major charity then I am sure that the members of this board might give him another chance... or maybe not... Mr. Chan, if you are really sorry you will need to prove it with a little more than words and a couple of hundred bucks... just my opinion...
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#9
05-10-2009, 09:27 PM
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According to Mr. Chan's spreadsheet, he only owns 4 cards:
1. Ed Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves) 2. Ed Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves) 3. Fred Abbott 4. Bill Abstein Total: $3800 http://t206museum.com/data_/T206Database3.zip BTW: Everything except 2 spreadsheets have been deleted from the T206museuem website. All the articles, pictures, etc. are gone.
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05-10-2009, 09:29 PM
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Unfortunately, as long as there is someone is willing to pay big money for these cards there are going to be people out there trying to create a supply for the demand.
Last edited by Doug; 05-11-2009 at 06:53 AM.
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05-10-2009, 10:12 PM
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copy and paste from that spreadsheet
PLAYER OWN BACK CODE BACKING 1. Ed Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves) x 1 Old Mill (Southern League - Double Overprints) - Factory 649 - District 1 - State NY 2. Ed Abbaticchio (Brown Sleeves) x 5 Broad Leaf - Series 460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA 3. Fred Abbott x 23 American Beauty (no Frame) - Series 350 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA 4. Bill Abstein x 17 Cycle - Series 460 - Factory 25 - District 2 - State VA Ed Abbaticchio was not one of the 4 cards he admitted to making with the bar overprints-is this a fifth? very good info Richard!
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