Uncovered the mysteries of T206museum and OM black overprint backs

[bijoem]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I've always wondered if the technology to counterfeit a tobacco era card was possible; could one find paper, ink, and printing plates, for example, to reproduce a T206 and get it past a grader? And the answer was always that it would be impossible to do as it would be readily detected.

Barry - in my opinion..... it is absolutely possible.

[Jim VB]

I've been told, often in my life, that my biggest character flaw is that, on some days, I have an unflinching intolerance to ignorance and stupidity.

I guess today is just another one of those days. I'm willing to cut this guy zero slack, apology or not. I want him to go away.

[cfc1909]

Pat

this is all very disturbing to me. T206 is my passion and after collecting for many years, I have become very knowledgable about the set. T206 Museum has some good info but it also insults my intelligence. I want to talk to you and not by email. I will be calling you.

JR

[barrysloate]

Joe- since you are a printer you would know better than most what could be done with a printing press and the right paper and ink. I guess we may start to see it down the road.

If Mr. Chan could fabricate an Old Mill overprint, I assume it would not be too hard to add a couple of letters to a Joe Doyle T206.

[marvjung]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Joe- since you are a printer you would know better than most what could be done with a printing press and the right paper and ink. I guess we may start to see it down the road.

If Mr. Chan could fabricate an Old Mill overprint, I assume it would not be too hard to add a couple of letters to a Joe Doyle T206.

Being a spanking new collector to the T field, before I started to collect this stuff, I was thinking exactly what Barry had written above in his two previous threads. The volume of fake material being passed off as real is...well...unnerving for me. I believe the ability to "create" authentic-looking T206's is rapidly approaching, if not here already; this is the greatest reason why I view the forums a few times a day - the combined knowledge of the people on this board, accompanied with the pictures and thoughts, helps me truly understand and get the "feel" for the T-series and helps me make decisions on my purchases. (In fact, there's a Cy Young on Ebay being sold as authentic, but I damn well know it's not - all due to this board).

This is also why I have yet to grade any of my cards; I've kept them raw and I'll probably keep it that way; unless PSA or SGC comes up with an entirely DIFFERENT department based on vintage material, and they are transparent in their grading process, including identifying who's doing the grading, I plan on keeping my cards raw for as long as possible.

As for Mr. Chan....first of all, you have guts to come on to this board, with people that have more knowledge than the Library of Congress about T series to apologize - I'll give you props for that - knowing full well you're about to get about 100 pages of flames. Whatever; no sympathy from me. I love the T-series too, but not crazy over it and it certainly isn't my only form of income (I've never sold a single T-series and I won't; I'm a pure buyer). I'll make it short - I don't like people like you. Makes people like me, and others on this board, to be even more vigilant than ever.

So, I'll say it the way someone from 'da hood would say it...."STFU, save whatever credibility you MIGHT have, and don't come back."

PS - sorry, it just burns me up thinking all the money I spent, staring at my cards, thinking I got scammed. Mr. Chan, you're the reason why some people WON'T collect vintage stuff. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr..........

[rdwyer]

oops

[rdwyer]

This story should go national. If someone wants to, do it here:

digg.com/submit

From there, it will eventually hit all the local news networks.

[Jim VB]

If only O'Keefee hated T cards...

[jmk59]

I'd characterize my reading of the explanation as highly skeptical up until I got to the point about consigning to REA to "complete" the auction. What? That was the credibility-point-of-no-return for me.

I can see making them for fun to see if you can do it. I can also see showing them off online, to see if anyone catches on. I can even see getting them graded, again to see if the job is good enough to fool a professional looking at it in person specifically to identify additions and alterations.

But the second you took or attempted to take a dime for one, all fun and challenge and testing of the system was off, and you became a common crook.

Joann

[Peter_Spaeth]

Joann he crossed the line LONG before that.

"What happen to the Hart?
The Hart was the only one (other than Revelle) left my possession after being graded by PSA. About 7 yrs ago, my desperation on collecting t206s completely covered my sane and mind and traded out the Hart for some t206 oddities that I had never seen before."

[jbsports33]

I have not been on the site too much the last few weeks, but what a story - it really has been hard to trust anyone in the hobby with so many problems. I really hope things improve and these types of stories slow down.

Jimmy

[Matt]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If Mr. Chan could fabricate an Old Mill overprint, I assume it would not be too hard to add a couple of letters to a Joe Doyle T206.

Barry - didn't this happen already with the PSA Doyle in their book of 100 greatest sports cards?