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Here is a list of HOF eligible players in the next 5 years, which ones should make it? I will include Thome who quietly hit #500 on Sunday. |
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Posted By: Marc S.
I think Thome will make it. |
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Posted By: Larry
I'll go out on a limb and say that none of the players listed ever get in. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
I don't think any of them are "locks", but Alomar may be the best bet, because he was an all around player, and considered at the top of his position for years. Most of the rest were never thought of that way. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Of those 8, I think both Alomar and Larkin are likely over time but not in first 2-3 years. Thome also likely with two more good years. Palmiero an outside shot. Gonzalez, McGriff,Bagwell, Martinez very little if any shot |
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Posted By: Jason L
I never thought of any of them as truly great, and certainly not HOF material. Thome will be hard to keep out with his numbers, so he may get in. And I really hope Alomar doesn't even come close. |
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Posted By: Paul S
Am not incredibly impressed by most of this lot, in the way that I think of HOFers. However: |
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Posted By: dennis
all i can say is that the seattle mariners wasted edgar martinez true talant(batting) by not playing him until his late 20's. if he had played in his early/mid 20's he would be a lock. if we could all just get by this DH thing,and players who dh are not HOF worthy. it's a position so if you are the best at it why not hall of fame. in my opinion all those listed are better deserving of the hall of fame than about 30 current members!!!!! |
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Posted By: peter chao
Dennis, |
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Posted By: jeffdrum
Since we are all essentially just offering our opinion; if I was a voter, I don't see one name on the list that I am sure I would vote for! My guess is that most if not all with the exception of Thome/Alomar possibly, will not not darken the door. |
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Posted By: dennis
peter i agree w/you 100%. yes, i do think he was the best ever and put up some of the best dh #'s. check out his first 2 dh only years 95 & 96. pretty hard to beat. http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/martied01.shtml |
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Posted By: Max Weder
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Posted By: Phil Garry
I would say that Alomar will get in after a couple of years (similar to Sandberg)and I think Bagwell will eventually get in too. After that, I'm not sure any of the others will make it. |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
I'd put Minnie Minoso in the Hall before any of them expect maybe Alomar and Larkin. The others were simply excellent hitters playing in a juiced era. Minnie, on the other hand, was a complete player whose absence from Cooperstown defies all logical explanation ... |
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Posted By: peter chao
Chris, |
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Posted By: Jim VB
<<...he came up too late to accumulate heavy duty stats>> |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
"Minnie's first game in the majors was when he was 23. Of course, he was only up for a brief time and didn't get back full time until he was 25, but who's fault was that?" |
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Posted By: dennis
minoso was born in 1922 (baseball reference is wrong) his first full year was 1951 so he was 28. i think if you look at their career totals minoso's are better than jackie robinsons.(he played longer) i am not saying he was a better player but he put up better #'s after the age of 30 than most hall of famers. he was a victim of discrimination. if you look at his stats his rapid drop in production was caused by a severe broken leg and it took him a few years to get back to 100%. sadly he was well over 40 and the majors had no place for him. he continued to play in mexico and stared there for many more years. edited to add: chris and i are staunch supporters minnie minoso and always come to his defense. |
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
I always like to think Minnie Minoso has not been elected to the HOF is because there is always the possibility he might come out of retirement and play one more game..... |
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Posted By: Chris Counts
Actually, Minnie is banned from playing in the majors. In fact, he's even banned from playing in the minors. In 1977, he became (debateably) the oldest player to ever get a hit (I saw it on TV at the time!). About three years later he tried it again and the commissioner told him he couldn't play after that. He tried again a few years later in the low minors and got the same response from the commissioner's office. So a few years back, he led off a game for the St. Paul Saints of the independent Northern League and drew a walk after fouling off several pitches. The commissioner couldn't do anything about it since the league is not under his jurisdiction. I suspect this episode contributes to the unfriendly reception Minnie continues to get from HOF voters ... |
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Posted By: Mark
R.Alomar - I think his first ballot |
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Posted By: peter chao
Here's a few that haven't recieved enough votes yet, but who should get in: |
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Posted By: dennis
peter,i think smoltz is still playing? so i guess he didn't get enough votes. |
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Posted By: Joe Drouillard
In my opinion Thome has the best shot of the players listed in the original post of getting in. I also think with the weak class that Rich Gossage will make it next year. |
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Posted By: Matt
Could he make it with a memorable World Series? |
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Posted By: peter chao
If the Hall of Fame is consistent with their statistical standards, Kenny should eventually get in because he has over 500 steals. |
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Posted By: Phil Garry
I don't believe Lofton has any chance at all for the Hall of Fame. When you mention Hall of Fame and Kenny Lofton there is far too much reasoning in trying to make him deserving of the honor. As soon as you mention a player's name that is worthy, you should immediately think HOF'er. Of course, there have been many dubious selections over the years but that doesn't make it right either. |
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Posted By: Paul S
I agree with Phil. No go. His credentials are due to speed, and although I do love the speedsters of baseball, and certainly can't knock the all-star appearances and stolen bases, I really can't say that anything he did was truly remarkable. |
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Posted By: dennis
Black Ink: Batting - 15 (149) (Average HOFer ¡Ö 27) |
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Posted By: peter chao
Lofton's overall stats look pretty good. However, he may fall in the same category as Fred McGriff and Harold Baines. Veterans who are not clearly identified with any team. For some reason solid stars who wander from team to team are downgraded simply because people do not think of them as being a star for any particular team. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I think White Sox star when I think of Harold Baines. |
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Posted By: Paul S
Hal Baines hit the hardest homer I have ever seen anybody hit in person -- at Yankee Stadium in the second half of the '80s. I was sitting a little behind and to the right of home plate. Immediately you tell something was "different" by the sound the ball made off the bat. Next, by the time the ball was out of the infield it was already incredibly high. I swear it was still rising when it hit the seats in the right field upper deck. I'll never forget it. |
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Posted By: Rob Ray
Paul S...incredible as I haven't thought of this game in years...but I was AT the same game you were,when Baines slammed a deep drive to RF against the Yanks in the late80s...I was sitting in the blue seats below the MannyHanny sign in RF when his blast took off like a high rocket and reached the upper deck,way above and to the left of where I was sitting,in what seemed like only a second or two! One of the hardest shots I've ever seen hit!....next to one Darryl hit at Yankee Stadium as a DH in late 90s that wound up in the black seats (I think against the Mariners...same game where Arod and griffey also hit 2 homers each). |
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Posted By: Paul S
Rob, thanks for the corroboration. I ended up at the last minute having to go to that game myself, so finally I have someone to share the experience with, weird as that sounds. Your comment about how quickly the whole thing happened is spot on (I almost went back to edit my post about that.) Crummy night for the Yanks, too. They were beaten soundly, crowd was relatively quiet througout if I remember correctly. Baines's homer was like a bolt of lightning...no other reason to remember that night. |
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Posted By: Rob Ray
Yep,I remember the Yanks lost that game. I am a Mets fan....but love baseball in general and go to any game in any stadium I have a chance to....minor or major league. Been to plenty of Yanks games. I remember the subdued crowd and the gasps of many in the crowd when Baines hit his shot. There weren;'t a lot of bright spots...save for henderson and mattingly...for the yanks in this time period. |
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Posted By: peter chao
It's unlikely that he will make the HOF, but it is definitely possible. If Curt Schilling wins 2 games in this W.S. I'd vote for him to get into the Hall. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Curt Schilling got one win in WS so he remains on the cusp for the Hall. Unfortunately, his career is winding down and he needs to get lucky to end up in the Hall. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Here's a guy that hasn't been mentioned so far, Tim Raines. It's going to be controversial if he gets in next year, but he should eventually get in based on the fact that he has over 800 steals. |
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