WOW - Banned From PSA

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Posted By: dan mckee

Please tell Joe, Dan Mckee said hello.

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Posted By: leon

Even though I am a fanatical animal lover I think that youtube is great. I sat here at my desk laughing.
I told you guys that this $99 was going to cause us $1000 in agony. I think we are most of the way there.......thanks

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Posted By: Rob D.

Leon,

Seeing Anthony's YouTube post reminded me that when I previously used that video in a Frank-bashes-grading-thread I was able to post it using the "embed" link that YouTube offers, which displays a screen shot/image in your post. But I noticed we're not able to do that anymore. It might be worth asking the Net54 lords if it'd be possible to get that function back.

Apologies in advance for taking this thread off-topic.

Thanks.

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Posted By: Jim VB

"Apologies in advance for taking this thread off-topic."


There was a topic?

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Maybe we can auction the card here... I'll bid $20.

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

Ten cents!

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Posted By: Ted Sherman

"i have MS, and i figured is someone was actually going to buy it, money moght as well go to a good cause."


So the money goes to your own cause?

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Posted By: Alan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmEmngpfJ7s

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Golly Ted, MS, the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, that seems a good cause to me? Is there a problem with them?



Can anyone post a scan of one of those PSA vouchers?? I'd love to see one of those sent in to SGC to see if they'd grade a voucher.

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Posted By: bill

Once again, this guy is a thief and liar.

He begged for money on the CU forum. He stated he needed $100 for a down payment on a used car after his car was totalled (isn't that what insurance is for?). Received a very kind donation of $100 from a forum user. The next day he bought a card on eBay for $150+.

He was banned for publicly bashing PSA on their on forum. Anyone who bashes a forum owner on their own forum is going to get banned. Brian did not start his BS here or on eBay until after he was banned from the forum. The forum ban just added to the list of sportscard related places that he is banned from.

As far as Joe Orlando is concerned, how many presidents of a large company will give you a return phone call within an hour if you have an issue and you are just a small customer, like myself? Three times I have called Joe on an issue with a submission. Twice was regarding the same sub and an error on my part. All three times he called me back within an hour.

OK, I digress.

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Posted By: Fred C

So, did Joe O. give out a bunch of vouchers for this card? Did Brian take a cash amount + vouchers? Did anyone hear the final resolution to this?

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Posted By: Steve

Brian is back on CU and taking a beating.

I think he took the 75.00


Steve

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Posted By: dan mckee

Sounds like PSa/Joe did good in this instance if I read everything correctly. This is a good sign of things to come I hope. Hats off to Joe for handling this well. Dan.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Well Brian should post here and let us know what happened.


Unless PSA wanted him to agree not to disclose or comment on the deal.

If that's the case, at least Brian could post here with a "." as his comment, to acknowledge that at least he's still watching this thread...


. ?????

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Posted By: Brian

PSA and i did come to an agreement.. i did not win the lottery with this card, but i was treated fairly.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Thank you, Brian. That was more than a . .


And good for PSA for evidently dealing justly with Brian.

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Posted By: Bill

After being proven a liar, Brian insisted on repeating his lies even though the undeniable proof was posted over and over again. Feel free to check the CU forum locked thread by "osocards" titled "My apologies".

He was also proven without a doubt to be a shill bidder on his own auctions. Of course, he denied that too.

Since I was the one that outed him while he was trying to hide behind his new ID, he then decided to post a negative review of Joe's book on Amazon using my CU screen name.

Outstanding individual and an assett to this hobby.

BTW, he admitted then later denied that he accepted dontaions for "his" MS charity directly to his Paypal account. Most now believe that he may not even have MS but gladly accepted donations to purchase cards.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Bill,

I am not a supporter of shilling, lying, taking someone's identity, taking charity under false pretenses... or other similar stuff.

But even if someone did all of those things, if such a scoundrel bought a PSA graded card relying on the identification and grading, and then that grading proved to be incorrect, then I'd think that scoundrel would be entitled to recourse with PSA to rectify things.

If we apply a 'scoundrel test' to everyone who posts, to determine whether they've lived a perfect life or if they've ever fallen short of that, then I'd fail that test and I'd have to quit posting here. I think we'd lose a few others, too.

I don't know this Brian guy, don't recall encountering him anywhere. But what PSA certified that he was buying wasn't true. If PSA is going to be professional and trustworthy, they can't be like the Brian you described, they needed to step up and do the right thing. Evidently they did. Good for them. And good for Brian, whether he's a scoundrel or not.

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Posted By: Steve

then I'd think that scoundrel would be entitled to recourse with PSA to rectify things




Frank they did try to rectify things they offered him 75.00 for a card he had less then 25.00
in. He paid .99 for the card and with shipping it was around 5.00. Add the PSA / DNA fee
and you are lucky if he had more then 25.00. He tried to hold them up and they wouldn't
have anything to do with it. While all this was happening he received yet another negative
feedback from a buyer who claims he never sent an item. This is not a person I'd want to
be on the same side as. Even if I hated PSA as much as you seem to do.


He wanted what it (or he thought) it would be worth if it was real, 250.00

I'm not going to go into what he has done as it has been said over and over.


Steve

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Posted By: Fred C

I offered $100 for that encapsulated fake signature. To me, the right thing to do would have been to keep it in the encapsulated form and remind people that PSA is far from perfect. Add to that I would never have let PSA get there hands on it. This could have been a constant reminder to PSA that they need to do a better job.

Brian, if that card is back in the hands of PSA then you sold out. In my book if PSA has that card you're not much of a collector, just an opportunist.

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Posted By: Jim VB

He KNEW from the start that the signature wasn't real. The original seller said so. The scam started with him.

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Posted By: Brian

i do not think it is selling out as i still have all of the scans of the card, and all of the facts.. not having the card does not make PSA's mistake go away.

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Posted By: Steve

Now all you need is some credibility to go along
with your scans of that card and you are all set.

Steve

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Posted By: Fred C

Brian,

I guess you answered the question. Not that it's anybody's business but do you want to disclose how much it took PSA to get that card back from you?

If I had that card there's no way I'd sell it for $5,000 )or any amount of money). Now, on the other hand, if someone wanted to donte $5,000 to the "Make-a-Wish" foundation or the American Diabetes Association (directly to them) I'd probably consider that.

My motivation for keeping the card would have been for the sake of the hobby. You keep it, PSA knows about it and it tells them they need to do a better job for the people/hobby that keeps them in business.