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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: T206Collector
"PUTIH KOLEKTS TOLCTOU" |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: JimB
If the consignor has second thoughts and wants to buy their cards back and is willing to pay the BP to do it, what is so wrong? |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: JK
Jim, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- if the consignor is permitted to buy back his cards, that is another way of saying it is a reserve auction. In that case, it should state "reserve auction" in the rules. That is something that can not be hidden from the bidders. |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Wow, two typos in a Barry Sloate post. Stop the presses. |
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Posted By: leon
I feel like locking the thread so Barry can't correct his typos....Now THAT would be torture... |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: barrysloate
It's done...!!! |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Cannot, not can not. |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Cor rect. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Both "cannot" and "can not" are acceptable. |
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Posted By: Rob D.
I'm going by Webster's, which lists cannot as preferred, and the AP style manual, which lists cannot. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
In any case where there are two usages, one will be preferred. It doesn't mean that the other is incorrect (we are putting everyone to sleep). |
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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
Auctions that are legitmately run disclose all information in an auction house's possession that a reasonably prudent bidder would want to know about the item. And if I'm bidding on an item, I sure as blazes would want to know if I am competing against the consignor, regardless if he is paying the BP. And why would I want to know this? Because it might cross my mind that as a practical matter no matter what I bid I will not win. The great majority of consignors who decide to buy back their own items do not do it because they had a sudden change of heart whether to sell. They do it because all along there was a secret undisclosed reserve. If the reserve is not met, the consignor will feel he has established a new market level for the item, to be taken advantage of at some future date when he gives it another shot to try to reach his reserve. And guess what? Poof, the item more often than not will magically appear at auction within the next several years, often with the same auction house that "sold" it the first time and usually accompanied with some fanciful tale why the delighted buyer of a few years back has decided to sell. |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: Anthony S.
"In Soviet Union, cards buy you!" |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Thanks for getting my reference! I wasn't sure if anybody knew that one. |
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Posted By: Eric Pugh
excellent points Corey. |
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Posted By: Rob D.
Jodi, I got it. I'm not really in the habit of posting Yakov pictures for no reason. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Corey's points are very significant; alas, the chances of many (if any) auction houses and consignors actually following through on them are nil. |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: Anonymous
Frank: "Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial 'we'." Mark Twain--thanks for the LOL moment this a.m. |
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Posted By: Matt
Adam - well done! I'm on the floor. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Well I'm ok with folks disagreeing with me... haven't fussed at a |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: Eric Pugh
Bruce, |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Is the evidence substantial enough now that high grade vintage sportscards are a good investment? |
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Posted By: leon
I don't think you can generalize by saying "high grade cards". Check out the T206 PSA 8 prices.....I can buy them for about 50% of what they were 2 yrs ago...And I understand fully the "pop report" too...... |
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Posted By: Rob D.
What do you think is going to happen when the hundreds of vintage cases (I presume)of Larry Fritsch's (RIP) cards come to market? |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: boxingcardman
Like anything else, high grade cards as a class are a mixed bag. |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: steve
Simple concept: To get great prices, you gatta have strong demand. Rare is all good and everything, ultra high grade sure is nice, but without demand are poor prices. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Everyone talks about these incredible record-breaking prices as if they're gospel. I'd like to see the bidding records for some of these auctions. And the checks that were sent in to the auction houses to pay for these cards. |
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Posted By: andy becker
jeff, those concerns are legitimate.....but they are not excluse to the baseball card world. the same concerns are valid in any auction enviroment. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
"Is the evidence substantial enough now that high grade vintage sportscards are a good investment?" |
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Posted By: JimB
FYI, I just spoke to a friend who won several of the D304s and he was NOT the consignor. |
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Posted By: JimB
Corey, |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
"in general, i take things at face value until proven otherwise. no proof of anything has been stated." |
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Posted By: leon
I tend to agree with you as to what Bruces were referring to. The responses that were the latest in this thread were to Jim C....From previous posting on the board it seems Bruce does care about the history and the cards, and likes them in high grade, whereas Jim C mainly cares about the # on the plastic and not the cards or the history, at least I have never seen any of his posts about those things........and I am not saying anything bad about collecting by the # on the flip if that is what moves you. However, when that number gets crowded by other numbers that are the same or higher, then the value will go down, generally speaking (supply vs demand)..And that was the basis for the latest discussion...best regards |
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Posted By: T206Collector
...You and I are on the same page. My post was in response to Jim C's effort to broaden what I think was the very narrow scope of Bruce's post to cover all high grade card, including 1968 Topps basketball commons in PSA 9 condition. |
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Posted By: larry
perception and # of people collecting a card is what drives the price |
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Posted By: Scott Fandango
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Posted By: Steve
Corey the way I read it was since the seller of the (D304's) |
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Posted By: Andrew
What do people think of the Pacific Coast Biscuit Peckinpaugh PSA 7 hammer price, which was $3614 before the juice? Demand for PCL is very high these past few years, so I thought a NM example would have fetched much more. |
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Posted By: andy becker
"Andy, when you look on VCP and see a certain card in PSA 7 that has sold for x dollars, plus or minus 5%, ten times in a row -- and then it sells for 3x that is called circumstantial proof that something stinks. Unfortunately, it happens a lot in the baseball card auction world." |
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Posted By: Marc S.
there has been a STEEP drop-off in T-206 PSA 8 cards over the past 12 months. This has been felt in PSA 5-7 cards, too, but many of the low population T-206 commons in PSA 8 have not been hitting fairly stagnant [or declining] asking prices for some time now. |
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There's Real Dough Is In Rare Ultra High Condition Cards
Posted By: Bruce Dorskind
This has been an interesting thread with a wide range of perspectives. |
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Posted By: LetsGoBucs
Finally, the "through the roof prices" that certain HOF cards realize can often be traced to the three whales |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
T206 Guy--I did say vintage sportscards--you may consider 1968 vintage but I don't. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
There are also some very interested very rich collectors out there who pay a lot for cards. I am dubious of the claimed results from some of the auctioneers out there; others not. Perhaps what we need are more live auctions so everyone can see the bidding under way? |
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