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Posted By: MVSNYC
it appears to be legit... |
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Posted By: rob
I agree with Michael on this one. The bad news is the paper loss is on the bottom edge and it is difficult to tell from your scan if the "A" is part of that. |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
I swear I am seeing an outline of the right-hand portion of the "A" in both scans. You would benefit from posting an enlarged scan. Perhaps Barry, Ted, Dan, or someone of similar esteem could comment. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: barrysloate
A genuine Murray will have a dot where the "A" belongs, so that's a good sign. The paper loss in that area may make it tough to get graded. But looks good to me. |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
From a "genuine Murray" I say it's good and would grade. Paper loss does not appear to affect the printing. |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Glad you posted the enlarged scan. I no longer see what I mentioned, which is obviously to your advantage. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
thanks for the larger scan...looks like you're good to go... |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
edit...double post. |
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Posted By: rob
agreed, looks like a good example to me. congrats. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Turner Engle
Thanks to everyone who has responded. The card will be shipped off to SGC on Monday and I will let you guys know how it turns out. |
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Posted By: MW
It looks to me as if the damage extends well into the text where the "A" is located. It's difficult to tell without viewing the card in person, but from the scan, I'd say it's bogus. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Jeff S.
Nice Find Turner - can I ask whether it was sold as a "Murr'y" variation, or was it missed? |
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Posted By: Turner Engle
Hi Jeff: |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: dan mckee
That variation can not be found on that back. Lenox and Tolstoi only. Dan. |
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Posted By: Turner Engle
Hi Dan: you could be right? I've been studying and the card was only thought to exist with a Lenox back, until a Tolsoi back surfaced. Could be the same for Piedmont. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
I just pulled my Lenox one out and it is EXACTLY like this one! I say this one is a new discovery on a Piedmont back. Even with Hober work, there is no way he could laser off the exact right pieces of the R next to it. Very cool card and a great score! |
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Posted By: Jeff S.
Does anyone have any other "Murr'y" scans? |
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Posted By: dan mckee
coming right up |
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Posted By: Seth B.
I think Turner has a real error card: the print breaks in the M and in the bottom right corner of the N seem to be consistent. The story about how it was sold makes it all the more believable. Nice find! |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Seth B, agreed. Dan |
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Posted By: JimB
Dan, |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Sounds great Jim, what is the special? You may have to submit it for me as Joe Orlando told me that I could never use their service again. Dan. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
I'm convinced you can make any T206 variation that has part or all of a letter removed and get it past almost anyone. It just takes a lot of time and many many steps. Couldn't say unless I saw it in person but from the scan it looks good. Sometimes you have to look past the obvious and examine other areas of the card...front and back. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Yes possible Kevin but much tougher I think to do that right side of the 2nd R in Murray than that post on the ShaPPe. What makes that ShaPPe fake? I am shocked that the faker would know to leave the bottom tip of the R there. Dan. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
What makes that ShaPPe fake? I am shocked that the faker would know to leave the bottom tip of the R there. |
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Posted By: Darren
Great pick-up Turner. |
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Posted By: Jantz
Again, nice card Turner. I hope all works out well for you. Let us know how this turns out. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Ted Z is the combination man!!! You made the ShaPPe. Ah now there is when a real problem occurs, a knowledgable person makes the fake and knows to leave the bottom post on. Hopefully, most of the people that know the cards to this extent like Kevin and most on this board, will continue to be honest. Well made judging by the scan Kevin. Will Global have this at the National? I would like to see it.
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: dan mckee
All kidding aside Kevin, if I can get you a raw Nodgrass fake to examine, do you think you will be able to tell the method of doctoring? I think that would help to know exactly how they did it.
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
All kidding aside Kevin, if I can get you a raw Nodgrass fake to examine, do you think you will be able to tell the method of doctoring? I think that would help to know exactly how they did it. |
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Posted By: dan mckee
Kevin, the Toront maker is the same person who did the Nodgrasses. George sold the Toront error at one time if I remember correctly. I remember pleading with Bob Lemeke profusely to not list the Toront as a legit error but he ignored me as many do.
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"Kevin, the Toront maker is the same person who did the Nodgrasses." |
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Posted By: dan mckee
I had a tour of SGC and they weren't using normal light bulbs. I think they had round lights with magnifying glasses in the middle. So you are telling me that normal operating procedure is to hold the card a foot away and tilt it? That is very interesting indeed, in that case, I must agree with you then, I have no idea how the graders missed it. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
Every collector should know how to inspect a card. Here is something I wrote for Net54: |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Turner Engle
The card graded an SGC 40. Thanks for the help from everyone. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
Awesome. Congrats. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
is it labeled as the Murr'y variation? |
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Posted By: Matt
congratulations Turner! |
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Posted By: Turner Engle
Thanks guys. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
cool! congrats... |
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Posted By: John
Very cool congrats, at this point I wouldn't take less than $45. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Steve Murray
Bravo zulu!! |
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Posted By: Turner Engle
I think you're right. |
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Posted By: John
Make that 2 Steve... |
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Posted By: Glyn Parson
Dan that may have been how things once were but I can assure you we use regular 100 watt light bulbs in an otherwise completely dark room. Kevin is correct that this is the best environment for detecting alterations as well as minor surface creases or wrinkles. The lack of outside light cuts down on the glare that sometimes hides these imperfections. The glare, hiding wrinkles etc. is often the source of the problems when people think they have an 8 and get a 4. |
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UPDATE: T206 Murr'y Variation grades an SGC 40
Posted By: Sean
Turner, |
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