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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
Advertised as photo stock and looks good in the scan but smells of artificial aging and is way too flimsey. This seller is selling fake Fatima Team cards so please be careful guys. I have returned it for a refund. Dan.
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Steve Murray
This seller is well known for selling reprints and fakes. |
#3
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
So I guess I should read the chat board more often? These slime balls are getting very good at stealing. |
#4
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Steve Murray
I think you were on vacation. |
#5
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
Story of my life. I will get my money back or it will be a trip to Florida. |
#6
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Eric B
Does he offer refunds with no questions asked? The auction never said it was vintage. |
#7
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Fred C
The idiot seller should change his ebay name to "reprint king" or "imanazhole". This guy's bad news. |
#8
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: jeffdrum
.......do you raely see these without "frawed" corners............. or was that "fraud" corners |
#9
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
I am in trouble, man can I find them!
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Rawn Hill
Good luck, sounds like a battle is underway. I hope something can be done about all of the fake crap showing up. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Matt
Dan - from his response it sounds like he'll return your money if you return the card. He is the jerk, but sometimes you have to eat the cost of shipping to get out of a bad situation. Just make sure you send it with signature confirmation. |
#12
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
I sent it this morning with signature confirmation Matt. Judging by what I read, he probably won't sign for it. He won't answer my emails at all so I don't think refunding is on his agenda. I think he ran to paypal to yank the money but it was frozen from me filing an immediate complaint. That may have saved me. Dan. |
#13
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen
Dan, |
#14
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
I think he accused ebay/paypal of that. I truly am a US Citizen. I think. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: leon
Since the auction isn't still up I can't see what it said but unless it said that he knew these are fakes and was selling them as fakes then he is absolutely wrong. Ebay prohibits (I believe) members from selling things when they are not known about. In other words if he said "selling as a reprint as I don't know"....then he is fine and is correct. On the other hand if he says "selling as is because I don't know if they are real"...then he is breaking ebay rules. (I believe).....I wouldn't worry about this idiot, Dan.... |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Is this the same guy that Dave F. recently had problems with? |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
That is the other weird thing. Somehow, I think he had the auction removed so that I couldn't get his info. I had to call ebay directly and WOW! they were very helpful. I almost died. I got better service on the pilot phone in program with my buyer ID then I do with my power seller account. He is still registered and has current items up for sale yet that closed auction was removed. I would love to know how he did that. |
#18
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
Trust me, there was also a legit under bidder as I sniped in late. There was no mention of this being a reprint. And the photo paper got me as previous reprints of this issue were on cardboard. I believe we are dealing with a true thief here. Just my luck. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Matt
if the listing was removed then that's usually a good sign - I would venture that ebay has decided that transaction was bad and removed the listing, as I have seen them do in the past. If that was indeed the case, then Paypal/ebay will get you your money back andyou are in the clear. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
I hope you are right Matt. I have been impressed so far with ebay and paypal during this fiasco. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: leon
I think Matt pegged this action by ebay......Now what they should do is boot his ass off of ebay forever...I realize he can sign up again but they can keep doing it. That is the only way it's going to get better on ebay. Lately it's been really bad.... |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: DMcD
Carbon dating? First amendment rights for reprints? I think it is reasonable to assume that your seller is a first class nut job. |
#23
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: DMcD
Whoa! Trigger finger kinda spazzed out. |
#24
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
I was wondering what happened there, or if you were just trying to drive home that the seller is a whack job. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Matt
Unfortunately, in the past, while I have seen ebay pull several auctions from people they have identified as fraudulent sellers, I can count the instances we're I've seen the seller banned as a result on one mafia mangled hand. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: davidcycleback
Counterfeiting isn't a protected form of speech, just as passing a bank teller a saying "I have a gun, put the money in the sack" isn't a protected form of speech. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dennis
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Matt
dennis - that's very interesting; was he using it just to get a better understanding of the paper? I can't imagine he would buy that one to use as a source image to make forgeries from. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: dan mckee
Incredible! I hope I get my money back. |
#30
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Eric B
When I started the other thread, I made a point of asking if anything in his auction was stated incorrectly. I believe he said it was a Real Photo of the 1913 Yankees Baseball Team in the title....which it was. He did not say it was a vintage Fatima card. He did not say it was old. It was not listed in the sports cards section by date range. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Gene Palmer
""look what the jerk bought http://tinyurl.com/4kkq5l"" |
#32
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: davidcycleback
If you know something is a modern reprint and do not state that it is a modern reprint at sale, that is fraud. If you made the item, that is forgery. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: David Goff
I found these auctions. Same thing..stating they are selling real photo card. I wonder if they are the same seller? They are new id's. One was made in Jan '07 and the other was made last month. Isn't Marketkingman from Florida also? |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Rawn Hill
On the second listing above one of the two sales the person has is to Marketkingman, coincidence? |
#35
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Eric B
Every picture in a frame at Target, Sears, etc. is a reprint. Some by the Masters (Monet, Van Gogh, etc.). They never say it's a reprint. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Tom Russo
I tried to sue Target for fraud over the "Starry Night" picture I bought. I couldn't prove it wasn't a Van Gogh because the carbon dating wasn't accurate enough. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Tim
When you look at the two listings David posted the verbiage is identical. Both say "Real Photo" in the title. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: leon
I hope that your post was tongue in cheek? Very poor comparison. One is obviously a repro and the other is a scam....Two different things.... |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: boxingcardman
Unless you tell the buyer that you made it. Doesn't matter that you might have the right to make a reprint or that you have a right to free speech or anything else. If you know something is one thing and you sell it as something else you are a crook. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: D Brown
I'm pretty sure that the Fatima seller is the same guy that sold this Brooklyn 'real photo' last year -- |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Steve Murray
"On the Fatima, I think his mistake is saying "tobacco card," which it clearly is not, it's a reprint with a Fatima back printed or stamped on. Even if he doesn't say it's vintage." |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Rawn Hill
Was it similar to auction #250233872327? |
#43
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Steve Murray
http://tinyurl.com/5cl5e7 |
#44
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: davidcycleback
As far as the Mona Lisa at Target argument goes, it's known as |
#45
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Steve Murray
Thanks. I was quite amazed at the length of that URL too. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Matt
I don't think how much was paid can be used against the seller - if a seller clearly advertises something as a fake and the buyer chooses to spend $10,000 for it anyway, certainly you would agree that the buyer cannot go to court to reclaim his payment. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: davidcycleback
Matt, the argument was strictly about a seller who knows the item he is selling is a reprint but intentionally choses to not tell this fact to potential buyers. |
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Matt
David - "intentionally choses to not tell this fact to potential buyers." |
#49
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: davidcycleback
Matt, if you want a specific scenario that I envisioned when arguing my point, |
#50
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CAREFUL, well done FATIMA FAKES
Posted By: Matt
David - I absolutely agree if the seller is the maker. Unfortunately, with auctionkid3, bubbydude and their cohorts, many people are buying the "old looking" reprints and we can only guess for what purposes they are doing so... |
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