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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jim Clarke
I think if you are a regular seller it hurts your business by ending items early. One you probally cost yourself money, and two is you piss off people who won't come back to you. I know it is a way of life, but I don't like it. Yes I have asked people to end auctions early as most of have. Hopefully it will be relisted, and there might be a good reason why it was pulled. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Tony Andrea
It wasn't me, I swear........... Tony |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Larry
<there might be a good reason why it was pulled |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Ed
I'm not sure I get the point. One can ask a seller to end early, but if he does he's playing dirty pool? Glass houses are fragile. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, Charlie sells that card it seems like every week. It'll be back. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Rand
Does Charlie have a good reputation among the board? seems Jay Behrens had some things to say on another thread (mastro investigation)? i personally have had good dealings with him (ebay) over 3 years. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
you can't have your cake and eat it too.........if you ask to end auctions early, you can't be pissed when someone does and you're not the recipient. I've done the exact same thing you said you've done and it's worked a couple of times. More often than not people let the auction run. If you have ever successfully had someone stop an auction, you don't really have the leg to stand on to be p.o.'ed on another that was closed. JMO........ |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Richard
I agree with Tom, and I have had nothing but excellent transactions with Charlie. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Frank Evanov
EBAY is a business. If, as a seller, you can maximize your profit by ending early, I see no reason not to. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, I agree that ebay is the Wild West of sorts and as a seller if you can end an auction early you do, knowing that you're taking a chance, kind of like picking curtain 1 on "Let's Make a Deal". When I'm bidding on something and it gets ended early I ususally just kick myself for not offering to end it myself. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: ScottIngold
I agree.... #1 Charlie is a great seller/auctioneer |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
I guess the obvious answer to the title question is, "yes, if I'm the one they pull the auction for". |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: davidcycleback
I think it's a pain that auctions end early (and it would make me mad as a bidder), and I think it's a pain that bidders don't bid early. Chicken or the egg-wise, snipe bidding led to auctions ending early. Snipe bidding artificially suppresses early and mid auction bidding, which makes the seller nervous that there is no interest in the lot and he might end up losing a lot of money. If a $1,000 lot has a high bid of $5.25 after five days, and there have been no new bids in the last two, you can bet the seller will consider fair offers. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: jeffdrum
The card belongs to the seller until the auction ends and a contract of sorts created. What he/she chooses to do with it until then is their business. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff O
Frank wrote: |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Bill
before I got into vintage, I had a shiny RC of Corey Patterson, the new hot guy, graded by BGS as a 9.5. I posted it and had about three offers within the first few hours. I refused to pull it only because there may have been some people out there who were waiting on it and desired the card. Anyway, highest offer I got was $300 for it and refused. It ended up selling for $500. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jeff has a good point. It's against Ebay's rules to end auctions early due to receiving an offer in which Ebay is cut out of its fees; therefore, it's wrong. I've done it occasionally; but it is wrong. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: davidcycleback
Jeff, I don't think there are any saints in the equation. For example, I said snipe bidders are a cause of sellers ending auctions ending early. However, one reason bidders place snipes is because some sellers shill. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Anyone ever lost out by not selling early? I know I have....I sold a Rawlings baseball sweater for $200 and I could have ended it early and gotten $400. The guy who made the offer is the one who ended up winning it. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: davidcycleback
Before sniping was all the rage, I had a George Blanda golf trophy on eBay, and a Chicago Bears fan made an offer which was about 2x what I thought it would auction for. I told him to bid and he'd win it for less than his offer. He ended up winning it for less than his offer, and for a price I was satisfied with. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: boxingcardman
And I disagree with some of the "con" arguments: |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Frank Evanov
You're right Frank, eBay is a business. It's a business that the seller contracted with to list and display his item. When he ends the auction early to sell it outside of eBay, then eBay loses on the fees that it is rightfully entitled to. Do you really think it's OK to use eBay to get you in touch with a buyer, then not pay them for their service? |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff O
David - there are some important considerations here. Saying that snipes are a cause of sellers ending auctions early doesn't really hold up. The seller chose the list price, and if he chose a list price that is less than he is willing to sell the item for, that's his mistake. Sniping is within the rules and pretty much everyone is aware that it goes on. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Jeff, ebay allows the seller to end an auction early. Not only that, but one of the reasons listed is to "sell to the current high bidder". |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: davidcycleback
My George Blanda trophy auction is an interesting example (and I'm well aware it is just that, one example). First, I lost money by letting the auction end normally. And, two, the person who made the offer ended up being the winning bidder, meaning we wouldn't have cheated out the 'rightful' winner if I had accepted his offer. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff O
If you choose to end an auction to sell to the high bidder using the option to do so on eBay, I assume you'll pay the fees on the amount of that high bid, correct? That's a lot different than pulling the entire auction and then selling it off-line to avoid the fees, fees you agreed to pay as part of your contract, which is what I'm talking about. |
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Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Before sniping was all the rage, ... |
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Posted By: hotshot888
I've had several dealings with Charlie and has always been enjoyable. |
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Posted By: John
I do not end auctions early and as a bidder, I can’t stand it when sellers do. Once you list a card on ebay, it should remain listed- and sold- especially if there are bids on it. Ending it early deprives ebay of final value fees and deprives sellers of possibly higher bidders/repeat customers. While you can choose to end it early and say ‘sell to current high bidder’ (which does get ebay SOME FVFs), I suspect many who choose this option are getting MORE $ than the actual ‘high bid.' people complain about 'questionable practices' of large sellers/auction houses, but seem to have no complaints when things like ending auctions early benefits them. why? |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
I appreciate the kind words spoken by many of my friends. I look forward to putting some faces with ebay handles and avatars at the National. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff O
"If ebay wants every auction to goto completion they should not allow sellers to end auctions early." |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Cat
Although I have never ended an auction early to sell off-line, I do not feel any obligation to treat EBay fairly. I believe you get treated fairly if you treat others fairly. EBay's practices of deception is motivated by greed and perhaps that's OK, but on the other hand they shouldn't feel slighted if someone cheats them out of a few bucks on an occasional off-line sell. EBay knows when they are going to have "dump days" many days in advance, but they never let sellers know in advance, since they don't want sellers to postpone their normal Sunday listings when they learn that a mid-week "dump day" is coming. Very deceitful, if you ask me. The hiding of the underbidder names was an effort to stop off-line sells, but it sure did create a nice opportunity for the fraudsters. I know of no effort by EBay to stop shilling, even though they know they opened a huge door for this. I doubt that shilling would be hard to block, if they wanted to (at least block bidding on the item from the same IP address that it was listed from). |
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Posted By: Tony Andrea
If Cat didn't say it, I was. "We owe Ebay Nothing". This is the same company who many of us, including myself emailed regarding the hiding of the bidders in their auctions to help prevent Tony |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Frank Evanov
Excellent points indeed. EBAY is making millions in profits every year. EBAY then spends about ten bucks annually to protect bidders and sellers alike. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Jeff O, |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
I'm not about to go to the mat for eBay, because the company does many things with which I do not agree. But I am surprised by the many commenters who seem to think that because eBay has shortcomings, it's basically OK to circumvent rules, because eBay "has it coming." |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Alan
Charlie Barokas is one of the, if not the, most honest, reputable, trusted dealers on the face of the earth. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Silver King
Potential bidders get mad when auctions end early because they took the time and effort to search out certain items and when they finally do find it, they want to bid. We are all addicted to eBay searches and every now and then there is something that really strikes our fancy. If that particular item ends early, it is very frustrating. I think seller's that end auctions early almost always leave money on the table because most offers do not approach what the auction might bring on a good day. This doesn't mean that all auctions that end early are that way, just a lot of them. I don't know Charlie but it appears he is a veteran and probably wouldn't have accepted a low offer. It appears several people were willing to bid and nowadays nobody bids until the last 10-seconds of the auction so it's impossible to tell how the auction is going. I for one will pay more then fair market value for a few things, but I'm not going to offer it to a seller to end the auction early. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Dan Koteles
why is it that most of us know him ,but yet take a chance of puttin him in the line of fire ? I hope noone tells him what day he has to mow his grass ! It is his card to do whatever he wants....way it goes. FInd balance in everything , less dissapointments. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff O
I promise this will be my last post on this (unless someone asks a specific question of me). |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Man, this is one of those issues that really has compelling arguments both ways. It's incredible to me that while I know it is against ebay's rules to end auctions early and thus evade ebay's fees I am persuaded by a lot of what the anti-ebay folks say. Their rules are really a one-way street in terms of protection. Charlie is right in that if ebay actually made it difficult to open an account there would be a fraction of the shilling that goes on -- but that would not help ebay's bottom line. The truth is that ebay is a great marketplace, maybe the greatest one we'll ever see online but it is fraught with problems. I don't fault Charlie for ending his auction early as I've done it on occasion and will do it again. I know it's not right...but for some reason it doesn't bother me much due to the kick in the ass that ebay gives all of us on occasion. |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Cat
Rob: |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Cat, |
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Posted By: Cat
Rob: |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Rob Dewolf
Cat, |
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Don't you love Ebay sellers who pull auctions early
Posted By: Dan Bretta
For about the last 6 weeks or so when I have put items up for sale on ebay they do not show up in the search for anywhere from 6-12 hours. Ebay says it's because I am listing items when they are indexing and my items get sent to the bottom of their list, but I have varied my days and times of listings and this has happened with every single listing...approximately 100 items. I'll feel bad for ebay losing out on ended items when they reimburse me for the hours (hours that I paid for) that my items do not show up in the search. You can go to ebay's own message boards and see that this is happening to a lot of people. |
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