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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Scott, I want to judge you because you like cockfighting. Consider yourself judged. |
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Posted By: leon
I only have to say you are wrong again my friend. Jay called me when he posted this today as he thought it was funny and wanted to see what I thought. When I told him what you do he couldn't believe it. He had absolutely no idea. There is no conspiracy and you are your own worst enemy. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
dodging your question. You are correct about the gambling it seems. That is never brought up, as it is too hard for a prosecutor to prove I guess. Again, the only time I know of anyone being found guilty of anything to do with cockfighting in VA was from the article you had shown - and the only persons convicted of anything were the people running the arena (for charging an admission to a cockfighting event). |
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Posted By: Cobby33
F- it. Never mind. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I've never been to a cockfight before so someone is going to have to set the stage for me...Is there an arena? Do they sell like hotdogs and cokes? Popcorn? Do you think my 6 year old would enjoy coming to the fights with me? Does the winning cock get a belt that he can wear around when he's not fighting? Is there a souvenir stand where I can get a pennant or a bobblehead of my favorite cock? |
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Posted By: Eric
I don't think Cock bobbleheads would sell too well. |
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Posted By: leon
ROLMAO |
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Posted By: anthony
dan and eric, |
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Posted By: Eric
Yeah, Mark...I don't even want to try to type that into an ebay search. Who knows what would show up. |
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Posted By: Cat
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Posted By: Jay
Here is one straight from the souvenir stand: |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
interesting segue. |
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Posted By: Joann
"I happen to like it - that is my choice. If you want to judge me b/c I like cockfighting, that is fine as well." |
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Posted By: Eric
Holy Crap. That's funny Cat and Jay. |
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Posted By: calleocho
I grew up in Cuba and cock fighting was quite common. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Hey as long as they let them live out of "respect" after being blinded or otherwise injured it's all good. |
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Posted By: Ken W.
Prewar baseball cards? |
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Posted By: Dave F
Not here Ken....but if you go over to the Net 54 Cock Fighting Forum they are talking cards there tonight. |
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Posted By: Eric
Too funny Dave! |
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Posted By: JK
"Some of you attack me b/c of doing something that is legal, or at the worst a misdemeanor (and only then if one gambles - you don't have to gamble when you fight chickens, b/c the arena gives the winner(s) a cash prize - only spectators usually gamble)" |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
the famous eating contests - hotdogs and otherwise on ESPN. People consider these eating sports a "sport". Animals have to be killed to make the hotdogs (although I don't want to guess which animal parts are in them) and other meats are involved that come from animals in other eating contests. Again, the animals go to a slaughter house and have a ZERO percent chance of surviving to make these hotdogs for these eating contests (and food is NOT consumed for survival in these contests, so that cannot be an argument). In a cockfight, again, the rooster is left with his destiny in his hands and is doing something that comes natural to him in a more humane way than in the wild if they fought naturally until death. |
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Posted By: anthony
joann, |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
to breed - producing more chickens that hopefully will be as good as the winner that is kept. BTW - they do live until a natural death a lot of times when used for brood foul - well over ten years. Compare this to an average age of one year or less for chickens raised for consumption and cockfighting might even look a little less cruel to some. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, perhaps to Charlie Manson. |
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Posted By: Joann
Anthony - I intentionally chose three "benign" activities that are illegal in many jurisdictions to make the point that it's not the legality that's at issue with me - it's the involvement of a being that did not, and could not, choose to participate. |
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Posted By: Eric
Mark, |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Scott, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Scott, you can try to paint a rosy picture if you want, but you are only making yourself look worse here. I mean thanks for the honesty and all, but what you are doing is despicable any way you look at it. |
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Posted By: anthony
did tbob ever weigh in with the answer to the original question??? |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
some don't. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Yes. PETA is made up of psychotic spree killers whereas cockfight proponents are usually sunday school teachers and school marms. |
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Posted By: Dave F
Man...they are talking about E94's over on the Net54 Cock Fighting Forum...its great, you guys should stop in! |
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Posted By: calleocho
its really not that horrible ...they fight for a little while everyone goes insane ...tons of money everywhere...two or three minutes of screaming etc... |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Dave, I would go over there, but I really hate it when they go off topic like that. |
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Posted By: Eric
Regardless of how you feel about this subject matter PETA people are kooks. They are borderline extremists. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Kook /= Psycho killer. |
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hey dan bretta, holy cow i never laughed so hard with your last post...lol..i"m still laughing....lol what happened to proof reading?? lol... |
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Posted By: marty quinn
sorry not your last post dan, but this one...............Hey as long as they let them live out of "respect" after being blinded or otherwise injured it's all good |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
Personally, I always thought drug dealers were referred to as having this title. Also, I have to admit I have never had anyone from a cockfight steal money from me. I have had people steal money from me in Vintage Cards - does that mean that Vintage Card Collectors are worse than the worst people in society? The most honest people I have ever met have been at the cockfights. It also gave me the chance to meet Roy Jones Jr., who also is a cockfighter. |
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Posted By: leon
I am not sure you get it but I don't condone what I did in 1984, nor has anyone else. I got what I deserved. There is nothing to defend. If I were still doing it today then I would agree you have something on me. As it is....you are your own worst enemy. Keep jabbering.... |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Scott, didn't you in turn "Teach someone a lesson" by stealing from them? As I understand you eventually made good on that deal, but I'm not going to pretend to know everything that happened there. I don't think you're equivalent to Charlie Manson by any means, but I seriously hope you don't have children and that you aren't passing along this "pastime" to anyone. Someday I also hope you regain your soul. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I am NOT trying to paint a rosy picture of cockfighting. It is definitely a sport that is NOT for everyone and one chicken does get killed in a fight. However, I was trying to explain it is not as bad as the PETA heads make it out to be. |
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Posted By: Eric
So how does everyone feel about animal testing for the development of pharmaceutical drugs for the greater good? Is this unethical? These animals are bread for the sole purpose of being test subjects. Many pharma companies actually own their own breeding facilities to supply the animals for this. |
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Posted By: Cat
I spend a lot of time in Mexico (mostly Baja). Cock Fighting is common there too. I have never been to one, but commonly heard about them. I was amazed to find out how well attended the Bull Fights are. Bull Fights are for the elite of their society. Again, I have never been to a Bull Fight but have been invited and understand the event to a minimal extent. I am not apposed to going to a Bull Fight but I do think it would be boring. Their Bull Fighters are like heros. I have never heard any opposition to either of the these events down there. |
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Posted By: leon
Honestly, I have watched a few bull fights...they make me want to cry.... |
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Posted By: Joann
No. The big difference is that one is entertainment, not food. |
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Posted By: Cat
Leon: |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Scott, taking this further would only be adding insult to injury so out of "respect" for you I will let you live to post another day. Good Night! |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
If I stole from someone to teach them a lesson as you put it, then made good, that would NOT be stealing! Stealing is like when Brian Daniels stole from me and NEVER made good on it. And, yes, I was pissed that Leon deleted my posts regarding Daniels stealing from me and locked the thread. I put a stop payment on a check I sent him for a card to show him it doesn't feel good. I also paid Leon back in full and even paid to have a negative feedback taken away on eBay I gave him. I am even sure if you ask Leon, he will say I did NOT steal from him. Leon got his money where I put a stop payment on his check. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
Your last couple of posts have been nothing short of personal attacks on me - you know, like you were saying I was attacking Leon personally? I guess with you Dan, it really is the pot calling the kettle black? No need to quit posting out of respect for me - heck, you have probably turned a few people reading this thread to my side of the argument by now! |
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