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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Joseph
Given all the recent discussion on "The Card," I think it's time to run the numbers |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Jason L
I think... |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: barrysloate
I'll say 3 or 4. It was almost certainly cut from a sheet originally, but on what basis can we determine it was cut again? That is just speculation. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Mark Lutz
If Barry means 3 or 4, I agree with him. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Hal Lewis
3 or 4 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: JK
3 or 4 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Steve Murray
4 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: leon
3 and most likely 4 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Andrew
3 or 4 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Paul
If everyone is right, what an incredible tragedy that the only surviving T206 sheet was cut up. Do you think Topps or Upper Deck may have been involved? |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Joseph
Paul: that's another of the great ironies of the book, "The Card." If Mastro knew there existed |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Cobby33
4, although 5 would be awfully interesting. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: dennis
3 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Dave S
Being that I haven't held the card, being the sceptic that I am...I'll be the first.. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: joe brennan
I believe it's real, was cut from a printers sheet in 1909, was inserted in a pack. Put away in pristine condition and was found in it's original condition and graded by PSA just the way it came off the press in 1909. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Scott Elkins
Bet that was a surprise to most on here! |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: ErlandStevens
Somebody has to be the lemming. I'll say 1. I mean if it weren't real, then it wouldn't be slabbed! |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Rand
the guy that bought the SGC 96 Nagurski for $240,000 had it crossed to a psa 9. psa actually put in a full page ad in the June & July SMR to show off their new prize, wouldnt it be great if the "Card" was sent to SGC for their opinion? Gai would give it a 9 "1rst graded" so there is no challenge on that one. oh..wait..PRO that would work. a PRO 9 Wagner. where are those guys from the TV article? |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: joe brenan
Somebody has to be the lemming. I'll say 1. I mean if it weren't real, then it wouldn't be slabbed! |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: David F
Well....if it's not real, and it were to ever land on the property of SGC, there is no way in hell that SGC would ever do anything other than grade the card in an equivalent crossover grade. Just no way. I know many people's opinions here are that SGC can do no wrong...but bringing down the highest dollar, most well known card in the industry would not be the move SGC would make...even if they actually found the card to be trimmed by their own experts....it would make it into an SGC 88 or heck even a 92 slab. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: peter ullman
most likely 4 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: DJ
I would say 4 or 5 as well. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: David Vargha
I wanted to be the first to vote for "6". |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: MikeU
"Well....if it's not real, and it were to ever land on the property of SGC, there is no way in hell that SGC would ever do anything other than grade the card in an equivalent crossover grade. Just no way. I know many people's opinions here are that SGC can do no wrong...but bringing down the highest dollar, most well known card in the industry would not be the move SGC would make...even if they actually found the card to be trimmed by their own experts....it would make it into an SGC 88 or heck even a 92 slab." |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: MikeU
In line with Ashphalt Man's statement, I am willing to personally contribute $1,000 to a pot that NET54/Leon or some other party could collect from various members to give to SCP/West Coast Owner to submit "The Card" to SGC for crossover reveiw. This is contigent on the SGC results being published. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Dave F
Mike...I really believe IMO your fooling yourself if you think SGC would grade that card as authentic after the whole history behind it and the nation recognition it has receieved...just plain no way. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: MikeU
"Mike...I really believe IMO your fooling yourself if you think SGC would grade that card as authentic after the whole history behind it and the nation recognition it has receieved...just plain no way." |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Dylan
4, |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: shelly jaffe
Why use SCG. Why not get the top five people in the field of t206 and have them look at the card. If three out of five say its good or visa versa thats it. I do have one question. Is it possible to grade it without takeing it out of the slab? |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: barrysloate
How could we get five people to look at it? Does anybody even know who owns it? |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: MikeU
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: barrysloate
Something tells me we won't be getting a hold of this card to look at it...but Luger's sounds like a great idea. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: shelly jaffe
Why does everything have to be on the East Coast. How about Spago's. If no one even looks at the card we can at least look at the women. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: barrysloate
It can be informally graded in a slab; that is, a professional grader can look at it and review it, or a hobby expert can render a realistic opinion. But you can't get that all important new label without the card first being removed from its holder. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: shelly jaffe
What a shame. I really thought that if you could measure and see the trimmed edges it would answere a lot of questions. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: barrysloate
They can only give an unofficial opinion if it's slabbed. They are supposed to study a card under proper lighting and magnification, and the plastic would prevent it. But I bet they could tell you at a quick glance if it were trimmed or not. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Max Weder
Since the points and counterpoints are driving me in circles, I choose |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Anonymous
3.14159 26535 89793 23846 26433 83279 50288 41971 69399 37510 |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Chuck Ross
3.14159 Traynor |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: boxingcardman
I don't care. I really don't. None of my doggies are in the fight. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: barrysloate
Chuck- that's a good one, I like that! |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Rain Man
Chicks dig guys who can recite pi to 12,000 places. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Barry if a quick glance in the slab were enough, wouldn't we have more opinions from people who have seen the card when it has been on display? Or has it been displayed in such a fashion that you can't get a good look? |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: J Levine
I have told this story a few times and it can be found with a search here on net54. I have held the card as have other board members and lurkers I am sure. I vote for 3 and 4. Certainly 4. |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Jimmy
I feel that if the card was graded today with the standards SGC and PSA use it would be a lower grade, we have come along way with understanding graded cards over the years. I think it is a real card, but we will never know if the card was ever trimmed, but it is a possibility that the card came from an old sheet and was cut later once it was discovered |
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Survey Proposal: What do we really think about the PSA8 Piedmont Wagner
Posted By: Fred C
I'll go with 4 |
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