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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: JimB
With all the talk about the Gretzky Wagner possibly being cut from a sheet (still no conclusive evidence of this - only rumors) - perhaps in the 1980's, it raises an interesting question: So what if it was? If it is an original period sheet, the card would have to have been cut sometime. Does it matter if it was cut in 1909 or 1979? A few years back, SGC graded a bunch of T204s from a sheet Nagy cut up in the 1970's. These were very high grade cards and were sold in a Mastro auction. I don't want to encourage people to cut up uncut sheets because I think they are important historical records, but philosophically speaking, is there a problem? I am curious to hear what you all think. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Honestly... |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Steve Murray
I have no problem with a card cut from a sheet. I do have a problem with cutting up a sheet. I agree with Jim on that one. So long as the sheet is period and some moron wants to destroy it what can I say? |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: John
Not a fan of the cut from a sheet no big deal thing. The whole point of a Gem card is the fact it has survived all these years in its current state of condition as it was originally issued from its factory. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Jason L
cutting up an uncut sheet after it's left the factory, is basically altering a factory product |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Hal I was not aware that the Mantles were sheet cut, I thought they were from a Mr. Mint find? |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: JimB
John, |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Agree completely (don't I always?) with Wonkaticket. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Wesley
Cards cut from sheets are fines as collectibles, but the hobby does not value these cards as much as factory issued and factory cut cards. A perfect example are the E97 and E93 blank back cards mentioned above. The sheet cut blank back E97 and E93 cards graded SGC A sell for a fraction of what regular cards sell for. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Peter: |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: John
Jim, |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: JimB
Richard, |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Joseph
Ta-dah! |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: John
Jim, |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Scott Elkins
I do have a Cobb in an SGC Authentic holder, so I wish it was one of a kind. However, hasn't there been quite a few examples floating around auction houses lately, as well as some uncut sheets? |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: JimB
Scott, |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Not sure those uncut blank-backed E93's on panels/sheets are a good example because, being blank-backed, they are not final production run baseball cards. To really compare an apple to apple, one would have to compare the price of a final production run (i.e., with full backs) e93 cut from a panel/sheet to the "regular" E93. To go further, in my view the reason the uncut E93's did not sell for higher prices, despite the condition issues, was because they were blank-backed. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Tom Boblitt
ever seen some of the T206 threads where we talk about how sheets of T206's were printed? So.....if this T206 Wagner was cut from a sheet, was it the ONLY Wagner on the sheet or were they the same card top to bottom.....i.e. multiple Wagners on the sheet? |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: joe brennan
Didn't the Hockey hobby shy away form the Orr Rookie PSA 9 because of rumors that it was sheet cut? |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
Or all of those 1957 Topps sheets that were being used in a house as insulation that have been cut down and slabbed. Be well Brian |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Chris Mc
I have a couple of uncut strips. I think they have great value. I myself will not cut up a sheet just to make a buck. I would rather have a lesser grade card that has survied than a sheet cut card. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Brett
I would consider cutting up a strip to be altering and very deceiving. Then you send it off to be graded and it comes back as a PSA 8 without anyone knowing it has been recently cut. I don't agree with the people who say that "it was going to be cut anyways" because the fact is that the factory didn't cut the card, YOU did !! Thats the big difference. I personally would rather have a uncut sheet because you hardly see any from the t206 period. They would also make a neat display. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: John Kalafarski
Andy Madec had a group of 1933 World Wide Gums cut from a sheet and were graded by PSA as authentic trimmed which seems a bit harsh; I think the lable should read "cut from uncut sheet." The cards were very nice and went for a song. The Foxx #29 is a beauty! |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: John
I caught that Brian after I typed that boy do I feel dumb LOL. However in my new book you will find how Bill Mastro removed Washington's signature from the document, and how a lot of our founding fathers were real shady types. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: John
I wish, but in fact just a dumb quick grade school mistake...LOL. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: JimB
Peter Calderon just dropped me a line to correct my memory on the E93 blank backs. The uncut sheets/panels and the 15 E93 blank backs did not come from the same source. It was just a coincidence that they came to light in the same auction. Nevertheless, I do not know of any other E93 blank backs. |
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Posted By: Brett
Heres one of them: |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: JimB
Another correction from Peter Calderon: |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: davidcycleback
If it's cut from a sheet later on, you're supposed to say so. It's up to the buyer to determine how that effects price/desirability. I hazard to say that all baseball card collectors prefer their single cards to be factory cut, meaning cut by the factory that made them and in the year of issue. Even if Upper Deck itself cut down 1989 UD sheets in 2005, many collectors were consider these cards to be of lesser value than the vintage cuts. |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Dylan
Isn't it true that a factory cut and a cut done, oh in the last couple decades look different as well? |
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Cut from a sheet -Is that ok?
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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