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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I noticed a very expensive prewar card on ebay tonight that I used to own (a 5 figure card) and was shocked to see how much brighter the card's color is on the listing than it is in real life; a print defect has been removed as well. If I bought this card expecting to get the one in the listing I'd have a heart attack upon receipt (though it is a nice card--just not that ridiculously nice). What is with this BS of artificially improving the card's colors in an auction and giving it a nip and tuck? What is wrong with a high-end scan and then just slapping it on ebay? Is this fraud? Thoughts? |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
How about a link to the auction? |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Joe D.
if the photo is retouched - that is just horrible fraud. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Dan, I don't want to link it here cause I'll just kill the guy's auction and he is a big seller. But the card is so ridiculously bright on the listing that anyone who buys it would almost have to know it's been played with. When I sold it I used the same scan that I took from the auction house listing from which I purchased. I'm amazed at the balls of this guy. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Steve Murray
I don't think you have to out the listing. It is obvious. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Steve, I just noticed that there is another ridiculously brightened card on ebay--same seller. So, he must have a scanner kissed by the gods... |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: JK
Jeff, |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: mr. moses
again. Just like a prior thread about a creased card. If you brighten a card or enhance the colors for a particular reason you should just say so in your listing. If there are material defects like creases or whatever you should put it in your description. If you are cheating or lying to get more money you should put it in your description (kidding of course-stop sending me hate mail). Pretty simple. If you go to the pixel level and remove a spot or defect obviously there is an effort to deceive. I am NOT referencing the card referred to above as I haven't seen it - just a general statement. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: John
Jeff...wouldn't happen to be the T206holygrail collector would it? His scans are always so bumped on contrast and color they look almost psychedelic. That guy could sell a B&W card and his scan would be in color, its almost laughable how bright his scans are. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: brian
i've heard a lot of bad things about that seller, even though he has great feedback. heard that when he buys on ebay if the card doesnt grade high enough for him to make a good profit he demands a refund. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: barrysloate
I think it's outright fraud, especially if it is a photographic card and a weak photo is enhanced to look stronger. It is done deliberately and is therefore unethical. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Ed Hans
I don't think that there's anything wrong with adjusting the brightness or contrast slightly for clarity. Editing out creases or marks is entirely another matter, of course. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
I think adjusting the brightness of a card is misleading and therefore unethical. However, removing a print defect is downright fraudulant. I too would like to know which seller this is so I can have this knowledge while bidding on his/her auctions. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Martin Neal
Adjusting the brightness of a tobacco card can wash out creases (Imo). If the creases are not stated in the description, nothing could be more dishonest. If I think that a scan has been adjusted for brightness, I normally bid a lot less. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jim Manos
If possible can you post a link to the ebay auction. Thanks in advance.. Jim Manos |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Frank Evanov
Sometimes my scan looks nothing like the card......the colors are washed out and I have to do an "auto-fix" to restore the card to what it really looks like. Making the card look better than it is [brighter, deeper colors etc.] for selling purposes however is clearly fraud. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: boxingcardman
LOL. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Bob
I've been burned more than once by enhanced scans on ebay where the seller says in the fine print "couple of very light creases" and yet the scan looks beautiful. When I've received the card it looks like Hwy. 101 running through the card. That to me is mthe biggest scam going because the seller can always say, "hey look I was honest and said the card was creased." Bummer.... |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: RC
I am not in the market for a 5 figure card, but if a dealer is purposely editing cards I believe it is fair to let people on this board know who it is. I guess it is ok to just email people individually but everyone deserves to know. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Zinn
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: davidcycleback
As someone who owns both a digital camera and a scanner, I should point out that when the scan/photo of a card or piece of memorabilia often comes out at least slightly different that the item looks like in person-- in particular, lighter or darker, but often also color tints. If the item is for sale and the image is off enough, one probably should rephotograph/scan the item-- but rarely is the case that the image and the item are exactly alike ... Having pointed that out, I acknowledge that there are intentionally deceptive eBay images. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Dylan
Thats the one i thought too. The color is overwhelming and bright. Tone it down a bit |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Cobby33
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Frank Evanov
After looking at that scan, I now have retinal damage. Are there any good attorneys on this board? |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Cobby33
There are plenty of attoreys on this Board- don't know how many are actually good |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: davidcycleback
The ratio of lawyers to optometrists is way out of wack on this board. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Zinn, you're getting very warm.... |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Zinn
Then this has to be it: |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Bruce MacPherson
The funny part is that I believe the cards look worse with all the brightness enhancement, especially the DiMaggio. I would think the seller is leaving money on the table by having those ridiculously bright scans. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: dennis
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-E101-HONUS-WAGNER-BATTING-REAL-PSA-NM-7-POP-1-1_W0QQitemZ290103873839QQihZ019QQcategoryZ31718QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The auction for the subject card ends in two days; I'll post the real picture as soon as it is completed. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
It's usually pretty obvious when a scan has been enhanced by altering the contrast or adjusting other settings. |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Steve Murray
We're waiting |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: RC
I guess my question is why would they do it? |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Jimmy
Sometimes a bad scanner can create bright looking images, I switched to mostly photos for graded cards, scanning ungraded does not seem to be a problem. If someone is doing the altering to make the card look better that is just plain wrong |
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Photo altering on ebay - Positions?
Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Buy the label not the scan. |
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