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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: E, Daniel
"MASTRO AUCTIONS LIVE EVENT AT THE NATIONAL |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: peter chao
Daniel, |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Jason L
but sounds like that is still being determined, as they are not done collecting consignments! I should call Doug to offer up one of my 1987 Topps sets!! |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Jon Canfield
I wasn't aware the Cobb backed cards came in the Cobb tin |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Dave F
I'd actually prefer to have the Ty Cobb with Cobb back over the Wagner...I'm sure i'm an idiot. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: jay behrens
I was of the understanding that there has never been any confirmation that the Cobb back cards actually came in the tin. But then again, given the misinformation that Mastro has been prone to provide lately to overhype lots in their auctions, a sketchy claim like this doesn't seem out the ordinary for them. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: leon
With all due respect all auction houses over hype their consignments. As much as I like REA their 1914 Ruth photo in a PSA slab wasn't a card even though they said it was a dozen times in their description. It's their job and I don't fault them for that.......I have no idea about the Cobb back coming in a tin or not...I think it's still not confirmed either way....I think it coming in a Cobb tin is a possibility though.....regards |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I don't think Mastro should ever say that the Cobb/Cobb came from the Cobb tobacco tin unless they have some proof of this. That tin needs no hyping at all....especially hype that possibly isn't even true. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: DD
What purpose would it serve to put the same exact card in each tin, if they were sold that way? |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Ray Piskadlo
If the tin is real and the card did come from it, wouldn't that help settle the debate of whether or not that card should be a part of the T206 set??? All we have to do is examine the writing and tax stamp to see the dates and if it is a part of ATC. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: joe
I'm sure quite a few collectors on the board read Lew Lipset's Old Judge issues. Lew has come the closests to tying the 2 together, the Cobb with the Cobb back and the Cobb tin. In Issue no. 12, August 1987 on the back page , page eight, Lew tells the story of buying a Cobb with Cobb back from a private source , and then finding the same person had the Cobb tin. Lew bought both. Lew writes" It can now be added to the description in volume 3 of the Encyclopedia of Baseball Cards that the T206 Ty Cobb Back has green type and comes from Factory 33 4th District No. Carolina. It is also believed that Ty Cobb backs were issued inside each Ty Cobb tobacco tin. The rarity of the Ty Cobb back can be traced directly to the rarity of the tobacco tin". This certainly is not absolute, and probably never will be, unless someone finds an unopened Cobb tin and they open the tin and find the card. That would something wouldn't it. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: leon
I think it more likely we will see an advertisement that will link the Cobb/Cobb with the tin before we find an unopened one. But ya never know what is just around the corner in collecting. Who'd a thunk a group of over 90 Pirate back T215 baseball players would show up? |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Dylan
For now I think we can safely assume it came in the tin can, not only due to the owner of the tin can posessing the cobb/cobb back card(what are the odds of that, if they didnt come together?) And also, as far as i know, there's no other package thats ever been discovered thats a possible alternative, am i right?? |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Jason L
chase cards featuring swatches of Cap Anson's soiled uniform or cut signatures from signers of the Declaration of Independence! |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Peter, |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: peter chao
I should know better than to try and get a serious response from you guys...only thing worse is Barry correcting my grammar. If we knew the other contents in the Cobb Tin then we could make a better educated guess as to whether these contents were normally sold with a card. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Peter, the tin was for Ty Cobb brand tobacco. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: peter chao
Dan, |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: leon
I think there are about 12 known Ty Cobb/Cobb back cards. I think there are even less (by a few) of the tins known. That part of the mystery lends credence to the card coming in the tin too....I don't think anyone can, or should, say one postively came in a tin....until there is more proof...just my opinion....Unless there is something I have missed that gives even more proof.... |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: peter chao
Leon, |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
This Ty Cobb tin is advertising "Granulated Cut Plug" tobacco....that's strictly meant |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I think about half (5?) of the Cobb/Cobb's were found in one collection. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: JimB
In 1997 there five new discoveries auctioned by REA. They were all found in a scrapbook by the grandson of a general store owner from Georgia if memory serves me correctly. At the time there were six known, bringing the total to eleven. Since then, one more was brought to the hobby. It was found in Kentucky. As far as I know there are now twelve known copies. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- isn't granulated tobacco loose tobacco that can be rolled into a cigarette? I'm guessing the card did come with the tin, but it's just a gut feeling. I have no proof. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Good call Ted. I think that pretty much sums up that these cards did not come inside the tin....besides if they were packed inside the tin wouldn't they have tobacco stains? |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: leon
Great point.... |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: barrysloate
Back of a T203 reads: |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Trevor Hocking
It still is a great card and an amazing tin! |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
I'm no expert on chewing tobacco, however.... |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: barrysloate
According to the back of the Mayo card, it could be smoked, but I am neither a smoker nor a chewer. Just reading the card. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: barrysloate
When I typed "cut plug tobacco" into Google, the first thing I got was Mayo Cut Plug. That was funny. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Thanks for at least partially agreeing with me on the chewing tobacco issue. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Peck
"Ty Cobb" (the person - not tobacco) King of the smoking tobacco world. Tuxedo tobacco which came in a green pocket tin and larger can was manufactured by American Tobacco Company (1910 tax stamp) and used Ty Cobb in 1914 magazine ads. Tuxedo used many famous people during this period in their ads but I would guess "Ty Cobb" was the King. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: JimB
I am merely speculating, but the fact that it was packaged in a tin and not a soft package like Polar Bear may be indicative of/due to its limited special release and thus rarity. Whether or not the card was placed it the tin is tough, if not impossible to say with certainty at this point. But the fact that we don't know of any other Ty Cobb tobacco tins from the era and Lew Lipset found one in the possession of an original, outside-the-hobby (is this true?) collection which also happened to have a Ty Cobb backed card does seem like an aweful big coincidence. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: E, Daniel
the reason the card was produced in so few numbers was in fact exactly Ted's speculation re color conflict.......the card was meant to be printed with a red back to match the tin, but was instead inked in green and therefore pulled for a potential replacement. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Since Cobb liked to use a green pen and his autographs are mostly (always?) in green, perhaps the green ink used on the back of the card reflected his preference? |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: judson hamlin
I found an unopened Ty Cobb tin once... |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
BESIDES.....the picture on this chewing tobacco Tin depicts Cobb in his "Bat on Shoulder" pose....so, why |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Dan
Cobb was an avid Pipe tobacco smoker, not cigarette. It would lend to the argument that the tobacco contained in the tin would be pipe tobacco and that the statement on the back of the Cobb/Cobb "Smoking Tobacco World" simply implies smoking tobacco (see references below), cut plug tobacco (flake cut) was very useful and used by many for various purposes. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: mr. moses
an EXCELLENT starting point. I have collected and researched many forms of tobacco, packs, tins, and advertising. I can tell you that plug and cut plug was both chewed and/or smoked in a pipe. It wasn't appropriate for rolling into cigarettes as it was condensed and often mixed with ALL kinds of additives from figs to molases making it difficult to roll and it wouldn't allow for a smooth or even smoke. Now part of the problem is the word "granulated". An inference could be made that in such small pieces (perhaps even made utilizing tobacco left over from processing other plug products) it COULD be rolled into cigarettes but still unlikely. I know nothing about the T206 cards and subsequent issues. I know there is a factory # designated on the card as well as a district (hard to see in scan and I don't own EVEN one-surprise-surprise). Good research should suggest the actual factory location and operation dates. If there is no information on the tin in that regard (hmmm I don't own one of these either) I would suggest that one possible source to research would be the patent office records. The configuration of the tin is quite unusual and it might in fact be unique as I don't recall ever seeing the same style. That would suggest a patent. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: barrysloate
What we all seem to agree on regarding the Cobb with Cobb back is that there is something unusual about it, both in its scarcity and the way in which it was distributed to the public. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
The back of this unique Ty Cobb card identifies....Factory #33, Dist. 4, NC |
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Posted By: Ed
I used to chew tobacco, years ago, but I have nothing to add. I'm confused. |
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I guess the armpits won't be getting an invite :( to no fancy pants dinner
Posted By: Cobby33
Copey, cut or leaf? Sounds like a good survey topic. |
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