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Posted By: Bill K
I wonder what priceless historical docuemnts Topps destroyed to bring you that abortion of a card? I would LOVE to own a signature of Washington, Adams, or Jefferson but not that way. |
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Posted By: Steve f
It just seems wrong. But, it is America and both 'rebels' would likely not have a problem with it. |
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Posted By: Dave
Maybe this isn't off topic.....the signatures are pre-war right? |
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Posted By: Jason L
every war! |
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Posted By: Dylan
Arent these sigs selling for more cut out and pasted to a new baseball card then they would if you were purchasing them with the complete document that was originally auto'd from mastro or somewhere? I know they sell historical autos so maybe someone who buys them can chime in?? If thats the case, it makes no sense to me, but neither does "game used" jersey cards either |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
I'm not defending Topps here but... |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
My opinion is that for $14,000, something should be better looking. |
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Posted By: Myron
I wish I was the seller. $14,000 would come in really handy. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
A key to understanding this card's purchase is that the winner likely isn't a collector of |
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Posted By: Jim Dale
I can't believe they'd chew up a solid collectible document for a signature cut on a card? But then I never thought some stupid company would cut up the only Ruth jersey of its kind either. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
^^^Ruth uniform? I've not heard the story of that. Care to elaborate? Thanks. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Card makers have cut up all sorts of stuff to make the cards, including bats and/or jerseys from Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Wagner, Jackie Robinson, Mantle, etc. They win them in auction or otherwise buy them, then cut them up. If you look through the Sotheby's/Barry Halper Auction, I'm sure a number of those jerseys have been cut up and now now reside piece by piece on cards. I'm pretty sure the pictured Ty Cobb Philadelphia A's was one of the jerseys cut up. |
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Posted By: joe brennan
Not defending Topps on this subject, but alot of documents have very little historic value with sigs of famous people. The value of the auto far out weighs the document itself. Washington talking about cleaning up trash on his farm or putting a bill in place banning smoking near a church are not thought of as important documents. There was a time before Topps that a Washington document was sold line for line, (cut up), sometime in the 19th century or early 20th century. There are pages of that document that are missing that would bring huge money today. So the practice of cutting up documents is far from modern. I don't like it, but wouldn't mind owning his sig. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I think the start of this thread was about the financial value of the Topps Washington/Jefferson card-- and not whether Topps was cutting up stuff. The key being that someone paid $14,000 for a pair of cut signatures where this winner would not pay a $1,000 if they were not affixed to a Topps 1/1 card. In other words, the value of the card is $1,000 for the autographs (example price) and $13,000 for the rectangular piece of cardboard with Topps and 1/1 printed on it. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
raises his hand. Ah, sir, I actually REALLY like these pieces of memorabilia cards. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Daniel, I like and buy the player signed insert cards (not the cut signatures, but where they directly signed the cards). So, while I'm no fan of the cutting apart of a Ty Cobb jersey, I can testify that the card companies have produced insert cards that appeal to me as a collector. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Thats cool too David. So many many ways to collect |
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Posted By: Kyle
Its not even George's autograph, its his name hand written in the context of a document. |
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