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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
My memory is still pretty good |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Well, we are consistent.....you have seen just two Graziano's and I have seen only two. And, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter ullman
t206 bl 460's are NOT overrated...they are rare! Tbob...I believe you have an e97 b/w nichols...as I have one also and I was bummed when I saw yours!!!! |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: warshawlaw
One of the Grazianos (the one I saw in person) resides in the collection of a lurker here. The other one I saw in the news when it sold at auction some years ago. I agree that it was likely pulled over threats of litigation. Graziano was a notorious scrapper over his image and publicity. Should have married Heddy Lamarr |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I know of the one that you referred to that was in the auction some years back. Don Flanagan (NJ) |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Dave Hornish
Hedley....... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: davidcycleback
Mastro auctioned a Leaf Graziano several years back, PSA graded. If you can find the right catalog, it has a big picture of the card-- whole page for the lot description. Auction was about 2000 or 2001. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Dylan
Earlier in the thread it was discussed that the Hoblitzell "No Stats on Back" Variation isnt as tough as many other cards. Well there's one for sale in the current mastro auction and the following is from their description: |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Patrick McMenemy
One of the hobbies myths is that the Kleinow (Boston) catching T206 is the rarer of the two T206 Kleinow catching poses. I would be willing to bet that I see 3-4 times as many of the Boston card as the New York version. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Bob
Pete- You're right, my other one is the Nichols and yours is the only other one I have ever seen or heard of. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
guys...you say the kleinow is over rated and demmitt & o'hara are over rated, and that there are a lot that come up for auction...it is because they are in steady "re-circulation", many of these rare examples are being traded (bought/traded/sold) and are higher demand then their easier counterparts... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barry arnold
Similar to Patrick contention, I see quite a few of the Frank Smith |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
well, all i know is that i have been looking for a nice condition smith, kleinow, lundgren, etc (i have owned them in lower grades), but they are tuff to find in general, let alone in mid-high grade...i was looking for demmitts & o'haras for years (of course i would see them pop up every now and then), but not in the best shape. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: barrysloate
Dylan- first off, the catalog description of the Hoblitzell no stats is just marketing hype. But regardless of just how objectively rare it is, one seems to appear in virtually every major auction. That doesn't fit my definition of a rare card. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Other than the "big 4", certain cards in the T206 set are very simply tough because they were not printed with |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Informative list, there, Ted... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
Ted- thanks for helping illustrate my point... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Sorry to repeat your info, but I was typing my post and in the meantime you posted your list. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Reulbach with glove is one of the 11 cards that are in the 150-only Series, and they are..... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
no sweat Ted... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Patrick McMenemy
Granted that the Kleinow T206 (Boston) may be found in just the 460 series, it is NOT the rarer of the 2 Kleinow catching cards. I have seen 6 examples of the Kleinow (Boston) on ebay at the same time on numerous occasions. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Bill K
What about the E93 blank backs that have come out of the wood lately? How rare are these? Is it true they were hand cut from a sheet? If so how recently? Whoever did cut up the sheet didn't do it very carefully. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Jason L
The last part of this thread has turned very productive for me, with these lists of relative scarcity among the various T206 series...and I am just SO thrilled that those cards listed seem to be disproportionately, my Cubbies. That's just swell, I feel so fortunate... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
PATRICK |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: JimB
Bill K, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Jim Dale
Kleinow (Boston) is a 460-only card and is found with Piedmont, Sweet Cap, Old Mill, Polar Bear, and Tolstoi. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Patrick McMenemy
Ted: |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: leon
To paraphrase you said: |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter ullman
having been a type/backs collector most of my life I agree with Leon...the best is yet to come as far as valuations are concerned. Many of these rare backs are extremely difficult to find and when you do...they're not cheap...due to many difficult back types...these will only continue to increase in desirability and values...in my opinion. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Patrick McHugh
Yes i agree. Rare backs are going crazy. It is really hard to define rare. As i guess it depends on demand. t207 a mainstream set has 2 very rare examples lewis no emblem and red cross back. Less than 10 of each known. Can that be said for any card in t205 or t206? Demand and hype create over or underated cards. 49 leaf graziano is rare as are n167 in boxing. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You certainly have more experience than me when it comes to Kleinow cards and I don't want to argue |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: peter chao
Ted, |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I sold my 1st set of 521 cards. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: leon
Since I have never collected cabinets I don't have an Old Mill. They are truly rare and I am sure some day I might get one. I know at least a few board members have 1-2.....take care |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Talking about "rare'....these are the "rarest". These "T3 type" cabinet cards were enlargements of the T210 |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Patrick McMenemy
Over the past year, 2 catcher pose Old Mill Cabinets have surfaced in two separate auctions within a couple of months of each other. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Dylan
Its all about the back!!! Take just the E cards. So many share the same poses and even checklists. Value is directly related to rarity. I look at each back advertisement as being its own set within a set, and many others feel the same way. I think people will only further appreciate back rarity and pay even more attention to it. |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: MVSNYC
FYI...just for the nay-sayers out there, a PSA 5 T206 Kleinow, Boston sold tonight for $500+ (about 4-5 times what a common 5 goes for)... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: E, Daniel
Merely stating my own hunch... |
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Which So-Called Rarities are Overrated?
Posted By: Mark
Over-rated Top 3 Champ |
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