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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
It has always been reported that the N28 Allen & Ginters cards were from 1887 and were generally considered the FIRST tobacco cards issued. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Bryan
I'm not sure about any of that but I can't believe that there are people out there can get cards that look that nice Anyone need a kidney? I'm selling one of mine for the small price of a Near Mint John Clarkson Old Judge card - or possibly an Allen & Ginter Cap Anson. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Who came up with the dates for these sets anyways?? |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Andy Baran
Hal, |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Bryan
I couldn't even imagine if I were going to try and collect first cards for players from the 19th century or even early 20th century. I guess people back then just didn't think there would be such a demand on the cards that they were producing 100 or so years ago. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
ANDY: |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Andy Baran
Hal, |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: leon
c'mon Andy....you know the 1886 Lone Jack is the first tobacco cards...and this is Comisky's real rookie |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Ahhh ... baloney! |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Bryan
I am thinking of making a network 54 HOF rookie card website as an addition to my own. I wanted to put all HOF rookie cards as kind of virtual HOF collection from board members and of course give credit to the owner. Would there be any interest in having this done? If so, it may be nice addition to the links site that people can go check out. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Andy Baran
Bryan, |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Andy Baran
Leon, |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Bryan
Maybe just the best we can do. It was just a thought |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Yeah Andy... |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Does anyone have a scan of the "1887" Buchner Gold Coin card of CLARKSON ?? |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: john/z28jd
Kalamazoo Bats and N167's show Larry Corcoran in a Giants uniform.He played for them in 1885 and the very beginning of 1886 [one game]before being loaned to the Senators. He was never returned to NY and signed with Indianapolis the next year |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Julie
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: John
Hal; |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I was wrong on the Gold Coin Clarkson: |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Josh K.
Hal, |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Back to the ORIGINAL question: |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: john/z28jd
Clarkson was sold to Boston on april 3rd 1888,they wouldve been pretty good to know that in 1887 in enough time to make the card |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Now THAT is why I visit this site!! |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: DD
Being fairly new to this forum, I guess the real issue is not the year the cards were made, but whose collection would you rather own, Leon's or Hal's? Mixing and matching is not allowed. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: John
The first known true tobacco insert premium issued by Thomas Hall Company. Issued between 1880-1892. The cards consist of mostly actors, actress, celebrities and presidential candidates. One of the card backs has the line “The American Tobacco Company Successor” meaning that that series was issued before the company was bought up by ATC. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Leon has the "Four Base Hits" King Kelly card... |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Josh K.
Why am I beginning to think that Hal won the Wagner in the Leland's auction. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: John
But I have heard Leon is much sexier! |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
JOSH: You're getting very warm! |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: leon
I would rather have Hal's collection than mine. His is nicer grade but mine probably has a few rarer cards, condition aside.....AND no fair....Hal is a lawyer and makes more bucks than I do.....later |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Ah ... what the heck: |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I would rather have Leon's restaurants! |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: leon
Now you have really opened a "rookie" can of worms....let the stories begin...... |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Bill Kasel
Look at that cardboard fly!!! This is a great string of posts, and ones I really enjoy reading. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Ralph
....BCD was right about you guys. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
And just to ward off any "dirty talk" about it being a "Minor League" card of Wagner: |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
And NO, it is NOT cut out from a cigar box. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Andy Baran
We are never going to agree on this, but I believe that a card needs to be from a set to be a true rookie card. That would make the E107 Breisch Williams the true Wagner Rookie, which doesn't make the Reccius Wagner any less desirable. What an awesome card. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: leon
Awesome card...congrats....I think I might have been the underbidder on it in the Mastro a few years ago. Regardless if it is or isn't his rookie (and it very well could be) it's great. With that being said one of the rifs (?) about the card has always been the question of "why Wagner?" and why no other cards exist, even from entire set (that we know of)? Honus wasn't really as great as he was going to be, relative to others at the time. Other players had much better stats when he was on that team. Some believe that Recius could have made this card after his popularity gained with his hitting so they could captialize on his name, not unlike in today's market. regards |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Paul
Andy, how can the E107 be Wagner's rookie? Doesn't he have a W600 from 1902? Or do oversize/cabinet cards not count? |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Andy Baran
They don't count to me. They are very cool. The Young that I just won is going to be my first. But they are not really "cards" to me. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I agree with Andy on the fact that W600's are not "cards." |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Elliot
Forget Leon's or Hal's, I'd rather have Scott B.'s collection. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: john/z28jd
Id rather have Jay Miller's collection personally.....wouldnt it be great if each of them traded their collection to the first person who mentioned theyd rather have their collection |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Jay Miller
Nice try John. So does this make the Kalamazoo Bats cards of Ward, O'Rourke, Keefe, Ewing and Connor their rookie cards since they were an 1886 issue? They would have been issued the same year as N167s so how do you choose between the two? Personally, I would rather have the photographic card but I was wondering what the rookie card collectors think. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
Jay: |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: john/z28jd
Hal,while technically youre correct by saying most have copyright lines of 1887 its likely that Kalamazoo Bats cards were issued in 2 series.Besides Corcoran,Elmer Forster is also shown on NY whom he only played for in 1886.The NY cards are all portrait cards different from the philadelphia cards and they dont have copyright dates.Since they dont you have to go by the team on which they appeared,when 2 of the players didnt play on the 1887 team then its unlikely that its an 1887 issue as it wouldnt make any sense.Corcoran not appearing on the Giants after May of 86 and Elmer Forster who is with the Mets on the card only played for them in the beginning of the 86 season. Dude Esterbrooke and Chief Roseman were also on different teams in 1887 and are pictured with the Mets. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: john/z28jd
It should also be noted that H812 cards known as Welton Cigarettes use the same players and poses as N167 with no known differences or anything to suggest that they werent also made in 1886.To me,and im not a rookie collector,i have no reason to believe if you wanted a rookie card[not cabinet] of players that appear in all 3 of those sets any one of them would be considered a legit rookie |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: Hal Lewis
John: Thanks for the info on Corcoran and Forster being with NY only in 1886. |
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N28 Allen & Ginters NOT from 1887 ??
Posted By: john/z28jd
according to Lew Lipsets book none of the NY players have copyright dates and they are all studio portraits.The philadelphia players are all outdoor shots and have 1887 copyright lines.I have only seen a few of the NY players and none of them had copyright dates at all |
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