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Posted By: David McDonald
We got sucked in by a goy troll. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
A GOY troll? |
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Posted By: John S
I think that it is great that Alan and other collectors focus on players of Jewish ancestory. I have a few extra cards of Ed Abbaticchio for the same reason as he was one of the first Italians to play pro baseball (he also played on the first pro football team in Latrobe, PA). |
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Posted By: James Feagin
What about rare cards of Mormon players? |
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Posted By: Scott Gross
Sorry it's Boxing, but ..... |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I'm part Norwegian. There aren't many Norwegian baseball players, but there are better cards of Norwegians Knute Rockne and skater Sonja Henie (below). |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I'm really upset that no one has taken up the cause of one-eyed, left handed, albino, midget Eskimos. |
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Posted By: steve yawitz
Uh, that's Inuit. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
I tend to think the original post probably was intended to be a light-hearted parody and was not anti-Semitic. That said, I can understand why people might question whether it was more than that, and the original author should explain himself. What disturbs me more than the original post are the posters who are mocking those who have dared to question the possibility that the remark was anti-Semitic (the "Jewish community," as if it were some monolithic entity). You bet your anatomy some Jewish people are hyper-vigilant, and if anyone thinks anti-Semitism is just some ancient phenomenon, think again. I have no doubt I will be ridiculed for this post and I really don't care. This is reminiscent of the thread where someone referred to Dmitri Young as "boy"; the poster did not mean it in a rascist way but when I pointed out that it could be misinterpreted because of its connotations, I got body slammed by all the cool people who thought I was overreacting. So all you hip, cool, what-me-worry, above the fray folks, be my guest. (Edited for typos) |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
I have got to agree with you there, David. That is one heckofa picture! |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Gil, |
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Posted By: James Feagin
It's also not alright to walk around with a chip on your shoulder. I'm a member of a group that has a history of persecution (against that is)but I'm not so hyper-sensitive that I think that every joking comment is antagonistic toward me. Throwing around terms like "anti-semite" is a catch all that must be used responsibly. Otherwise, it belittles true cases of racial and religious bigotry. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Inuit is a tribe, just like Lakota is tribe. Eskimo does a pretty good job of covering any native north of the artic circle just like Native American covers anyone that is of indiginous decent of NA, which also covers the Eskimos. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
I fully disagree with your statement Josh. |
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Posted By: JimB
Hey, "so what" if Osama Bin Laden and his buddies hate America. Gil, in case you did not realize it, 6 million Jews were murdered in our (or that of our parents or grandparents at a minimum) lifetimes for nothing other than being Jewish. And if you pick up a history book, you will realize that is not an isolated incident. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
I agree completely with Gil. I also believe this thread has run its course. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
In what possible sense is it "OK" to hate someone because of their religion, ethnicity, or skin color? None is suggesting that anyone's private thoughts can or should be regulated, but to suggest that it's "OK" is to me morally repugnant. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
wow, this thread really is telling. |
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Posted By: andy becker
josh, i agree with you 100%. |
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Posted By: Bob C
A Randy Newman song from the eary 80's comes to mind here. Newman wasn't dissing short people anymore than "All in the Family" promoted racism. It was was exposing the prejudices that people have and allowing us, through laugher, to look at ourselves and how we judge people. That is what the song (and I believe the initial thread here) is about and nothing more. Have all you folks forgotten about laughing at ourselves and our prejudices? |
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Posted By: leon
Not sure what the score is but I don't feel this thread is detrimental to the welfare of the board, yet. When I feel it becomes that way then it will be locked down. For a reference these kinds of threads get to run about 2.5 to 3 days, historically....but I reserve the right to change my mind . I do think the original post/comment was more of a joke than some wild fetched scheme or majorly racist remark...I do think it was a back handed swipe at the collecting habits of a few on the board but still not as offensive as other things in daily life (that doesn't make it completely right and I am not saying that)... .....regards |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
Invariably these types of discussions devolve into claims of moral outrage and implied superiority, often sprinkled with notions of "us against them", persecution and self-righteousness. This one is no different. |
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Posted By: Jason
Mine is now the 72nd post (I didn't want to be completely left out), and this has nothing to do with vintage card collecting, or even baseball. We should put this to bed, although the sheer length of the thread has become somewhat humorous in and of itself. |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
I second that motion. |
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Posted By: George H. Counter
"...It is alright to hate someone because of their religion, their race, their ancestry, or any other characteristic." |
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Posted By: Chad
You're taking that quote out of context. I take him to mean that it's prefectly LEGAL to hate people, and it is. Nobody is arguing that it's good, or ok to hate or be prejudiced. Gil certainly isn't and it's not right to characterize his posts as such. He's arguing against knee jerk censorship. This thread has become very shrill, but I hope Leon doesn't delete it. We are who we are, afterall, and this forum is a record of our thoughts, for good and bad. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
"I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another and I know there are people in the world that do not love their fellow human beings and I hate people like that." |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
I realize that I indicated that I would not revisit this subject, however, it appears to me that from your response to my input, I must be alone in the belief that hatred due to the characteristics of specific individuals is not only justified, it is warranted. As some of you indicated, my point of view must not be well thought out. It is my contention that your point of view is not well thought out. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Im sorry, but hating someone because they crash planes into our buildings isnt exactly like hating someone because they are Jewish. |
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Posted By: V117Collector
Freaky Friday! |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Go4It Josh! Twist my statements to create whatever comedy routine pleases you. I too will sit back and enjoy your creations. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
Please tell me how I twisted your words: |
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Posted By: andy becker
i thought this was dead and buried too. |
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Posted By: James Feagin
Of course it is illegal in this country to "hate" someone. Due to bogus "hate crime" legislation, the state gets to judge the intents of your heart in the commission(sp?) of a crime. If they judge that you have committed a "thought" crime in addition to another crime, your penalty is harsher. Never mind this is seperate and unequal and "protected" groups get all the benefits. Nevertheless, it can be illegal to "hate" someone. |
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Posted By: Andrew Parks
God hated Esau AND chose the Jews as His people. How does that fit into all of this? |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Josh, I am at a loss as to how my statements can be extrapolated to the following conclusion: |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
It is illegal to assault someone or kill them or whatever. Doing so out of racial or other animus is an enhancement to the penalties. You can hate whoever you want, you just can't kick their asses because of it. |
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings
OK, finally a baseball connection..... |
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Posted By: steve f
Gil, |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Adam, I know you to be right. However, I visualize my daughters being thirty years younger than they are, and a pedophile moving into our area. A clear and present danger to young daughters. Hurray for daddies everywhere (and mommies too). |
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Posted By: James Feagin
"It is illegal to assault someone or kill them or whatever. Doing so out of racial or other animus is an enhancement to the penalties. You can hate whoever you want, you just can't kick their asses because of it." |
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Posted By: andy becker
i guess ozzie guillen is now visiting the vintage board... |
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Posted By: Josh K.
James, |
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Posted By: James Feagin
Josh, |
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Posted By: Josh K.
No problem James - I know what having a baby does to one's mind Congrats in advance. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Unfortunately Mother-in-laws ability to understand is at its peak when you first get married, if my experience is typical. |
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Posted By: JimB
They are not necessarily crimes according to the laws of this country, but there are some very disturbing thoughts held by some of the participants of this thread. I hope they do not act upon them. |
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Posted By: leon
I have had several requests to lock this thread and do feel at this point it is time. Any other thoughts can be taken to private emails...thanks for playing....regards ...moderator dude... |
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