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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Bryan Long
I am curious to hear of how many collectors are there in the forum that collect these cards. Everything that I have read about them is that they are not widely collected because it is such a large set - but that doesn't make much sense to me. Are there certain cards that impossible to find? Is it the size of the cards (not being the typical small tobacco or caramel issue size)? I understand that the Johnson rookie would be a toughy to get because of price and I really don't look at the square bordered cards as being a part of the set - just really a subset. That is, of course, unless S. B. wants to sell me his square bordered subset So what is it? I think the cards are probably the most attractive cards that exist due to the gold borders and the great portrait pictures. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: jay behrens
They are fairly tough cards to find. I owned a few type cards in the 80s and that was it. I probably saw e90-1s more often than t204s and you didn't see a whole of caramel cards in the 80s either. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: robert a
Bryan, |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: JimB
It is a beautiful set and I have owned a few over the years, but I think the reason they are not as widely collected by set collectors is that it is missing a lot of the big name HOFs from the era. No Matty, no Cobb, no Wagner. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Mike
I have only two Ramly's. Ciccote and Jimmie Collins. Both graded a two. The cicotte in my opinion should have been a three, but hey, what do I know. It is a very very nice 2. I thought about collecting them, but I pursue one player, and he is not in the set. So that takes care of that, beautiful cards yes indeed. One of the nicest. very hards to find in a 5 and up, due to the gold leaf border chipping. They are composed of two sheets of paper that were glued together in the manufacturing process. Sometimes that glue comes loose, and then you have a seperated back and front. I have seen this several times. One card would have graded a 4, if the front and back had stayed together. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Bryan Long
But to tell you the truth that is the reason why I am collecting them more because I know that I can collect a great looking set without being forced to throw a ton of cash into a bunch of cards. The ramly set is filled with only 15 HOFers I think and really only two of them will cost me a bunch od cash to get (Johnson and Burkett). The others are not very pricey, just hard to find. I know Bill Cornell has a nice start on a set. What do you think Bill? I saw a plank awhile back on ebay that I should have bought, and regret not doing so. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: James Feagin
I'm also interested in these cards from the type standpoint. Never have owned one and have rarely seen an example. Is this this first embossed set? If anyone has one for $100 let me know |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: T206Collector
"I really don't look at the square bordered cards as being a part of the set - just really a subset" |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Peter Thomas
Bryan - I have collected Ramlys for about 20 years and have a high grade set for Ramlys. Scott Brockelman also collects them and has a high grade set. Both of us have the 6 square bordered cards and collect TTT backs. I don't think that any cards in the base set of 121 cards are rarer than others, although they are all quite rare. The 6 square bordered cards and the 55 or so cards that have TTT backs are all much rarer than the other Ramlys. I think there are only 5 to 10 of each of these cards and maybe 50 to 100 of the Ramlys. Burried in the set registry thread I have some comments on my Ramly collecting and there was a TTT thread some time ago that you could search. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Ed Ford
I collect all things Cardinals including vintage. I have 5 of the 7 St. Louis (National League) players in the set. I have Byrnes, Beebe, Sallee, Lush and Konetchy. I need Reilly and Bresnahan. I have been outbid on the Bresnahan card several times and don't believe I've ever seen a Reilly for sale or auction. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: bcornell
Bryan - |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I don't think it is all about rarity. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: jay behrens
I think you'll find that most collectors find the set one of the most attractive sets ever. I know I do. Rarity is what has always kept me away from the cards. I will eventually have a few in my collection again because there are several players that make their lone card appearance in this set. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Bryan Long
I guess everyone has their collecting interest for certain reason. I to say that I have never heard someone say the t204 ramly cards were ugly. Oh well. I am happy to hear that there are no really hard cards in the set - no harder than any of the others anyway. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Jerry
Frank, You have offended the great Mordecai by calling him ugly. You will wake up tomorrow with only 3 fingers on your right hand. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I stand by my ugly comment. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Cat
Wow Frank!!! I appreciate any man that has conviction to his words, but Ramly's are beautiful. I have never been a set collector, but I have made up my mind that if I were to start, Ramly's would be my first choice. I do have "Ramly" as one of my EBay search formats. My two cards: |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Patrick McMenemy
Only 4 of the 7 catchers I collect are in the set: |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: bruce dorskind
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: joe
These are my two cards, both Detroit, unfortunately one came back trimmed. These cards are hard to find. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Marc S.
I'm a relatively young collector [under 30], and I have not been able to place a Philadelphia Nationals example from this set over the last 8-10 months. I just want to start with at least one. Such a beautiful set - but so hard to find. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Bryan, |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: scott brockelman
Here are the 6 known square frame Ramly's, as Peter mentioned both he and I have a set, this was a second set i used to own, that another board member now owns. As far as I know, there are only 3 of the John Anderson squsre frames known, hence there can only be 3 complete sets, however some unknown collector could have one. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Patrick McMenemy
Hi Scott: |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: scott brockelman
Patrick, |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Peter Thomas
Actually I grew up in Natick about 16 miles west of boston and about 30 miles east of Worcester, where my grandparents lived. I moved to Boston to go MIT and study architecture in 1960 and stayed there until 1980, when I moved to Miami. I believe that all of the T204 - Ramlys, TTT's and square bordered cards were produced in Boston and somewhere I do have an address. I think T. T. Tinayens had all of these cards produced. Although Boston has lots of old buildings this one is gone. My belief is that the 6 square bordered, blank backed, cards were proof or test printing cards. There are blank back T204 cards, some are from delamination, but there is an extraordinary correlation of these blank backed cards with the 6 square bordered cards. Look at the REA auction with an Anderson blank back. Scott I recall your telling me about the Worcester connection of these players, but I have not done any research on this. I thought that by now I would have plenty of time for this, but I am now working 60 + hours a week on what I think is close to the end of the 15 year building boom in Miami. When this ends I should have plenty of time for T204 research. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Peter Thomas
Going to try to post images - no scanner at home and unsure of photobucket. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: scott brockelman
Several different Ramly box, a TTT box and a Mentor Co. box(probably never held a card). also a couple of different advertising note pads. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: leon
Send me the scans as jpg files and I will post them for you ....if you want to .... |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: john/z28jd
Someone owes Ed an apology for not being able to find any Tom Reilly cards....might as well be me,sorry Ed. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Ed Ford
Since its Easter, I'll accept your apology for scarfing up so many Reilly's. One question. Why the duplicates ? |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: john/z28jd
I dont have a good explanation except he was the most obscure player i could find in the set and when i looked to buy one 3 were available so i bought them.The other 2 popped up at the same time around a year or so ago,so chances are if one shows up and you dont win,just look for another that day |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Elliot
Ed, don't feel bad, John is a very sick man. Ask him about his Corcoran addiction. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Bryan Long
I just love those square bordered cards Peter. They are gorgeous! |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Ed Ford
Won't you part with just one of your Reilly's? Any one of them ? If so, please email me. |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: James Feagin
I have seen very few in person or at shows, but today I joined the club. My first Ramly came in the mail, how pretty it is! |
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T204 Ramly question
Posted By: Bryan Long
with this post and now am forced to watch the price of Ramly cards go up. This would kill my budget to watch them go up |
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