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Posted By: Bob
Lots of great people and dedicated collectors make this board very informative, fun, interesting and provide very few dull moments. I have to mention though that an incident on ebay has me shaking my head. The topic of trying to get a seller to close an auction early is a subkect that regularly comes up on this board. It appears that there are some who feel it is ok to ask a seller to end an auction early if there have been no bids and a smaller group which feels it is ok anytime, anywhere to ask a seller to close an auction regardless of bids. There is also a 3rd group which believes that it is not right or proper to ask a seller to close an auction under any circumstance once an auction has commenced. There are a number of sellers who feel this way and risk the possibility of less money but staunchly believe in not shutting down an auction. |
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Posted By: fkw
Hi Bob, I also had some snipe bids on a couple of the T212-2 150's myself. I was unhappy to see the auctions ended and wrote the seller but have not heard back for the reason he ended yet. |
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Posted By: Charlie O'Neal
Since there are two auctions going on right now where the ending the auction early tatic has been used I just wanted to end any speculation that I am the one trying to end auctions early. The reason I bring this up is b/c I have the same first name as the person that has tried to do it for two current auctions and in the Q/A section it has me asking one question and then the very next person with the same name is trying to end it early. |
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Posted By: John S
I must admit for very rare items on my want list (items that in my estimation have the potential to be offered for auction about once every couple of years) I will email sellers to end items early. I do this to protect myself from losing the item in just the manner that you described. In the past ten years I probably have done this five times; and in each instance was politely declined. I understand your frustration. |
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Posted By: Paul Moss
I sell both coins and cards on the bay of e, and what is peculiar to card collectors is the fact that 90% of the bidders wait until the last 30 seconds before bidding out of some fear that they will be run up in price if they place a strong bid with a few days to go. In other areas, an item is often at 2/3rds. of its eventual closing price/value with days to go, yet cards are in a world of their own with many, many items increasing by a factor of 5 or 10 in those precious few remaining seconds. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
...with ending an auction early. It is frustrating only for would-be bidders. But even if I did, I think you have to take the tactic that if you really want something and are afraid that the seller will end his auction early that you send him an e-mail making him a good offer for the cards. That way (a) he knows his cards have value above the current bid, and (b) you become part of the consideration if he decides to end his auction early. |
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz
OK, my guess is that no one wants to admit they ask a seller to end an auction early for fear that their peers will think less of them. I have to admit that I sometimes ask a seller to sell me a card before the auction has ended for 2 reasons. The first is to find out if I can circumvent the obvious and get the card at my price. The second is to find out if the seller would even sell the card before the auction ends, so I know if it worth pursuing. I have, by the way, been asked to end an auction early by some of our very own board members, and I do not see a problem with it. It may not be the "fair" way of acquiring what you want, but who said anything about being fair. If the seller and buyer want to work out a deal outside of the auction, so be it. It's a tough world out there and it's not getting any easier. |
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Posted By: Paul Moss
Business is business, and I fully understand the reasons for taking this path. My rant was not about the actual commission of offering to close the auction, but more of an examination of the dynamics of this peculiarity to the card world. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Paul... ch-ch-ching! Good call! |
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Posted By: Steve M.
in on the E99 and E100. I emailed the seller and told him so and gave him my snipes (in excess of $400 each) and told him if he sold for less it was his loss. I mentioned too (and it appears from these posts to be true) that other PCL collectors likely had snipes in as well. |
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Posted By: Jeff
"Clearing my name April 1 2006, 3:06 AM |
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Posted By: Kary
Hi everyone, |
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Posted By: Charlie O'Neal
Questions that have a bidders personal information or bid information in them can not be posted in the Q&A section of an auction b/c of privacy issues. Maybe this is in my own warped mind but the way I vew it is everyone now knows where i plan to bid thus raising the potential price of the auction. |
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Posted By: Jeff
Charlie, |
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Posted By: Charlie O'Neal
Thanks for pointing out that a seller could take it as a scam. I never really thought about it that way. I have actually never had a problem with the request so never thought about that. I was looking at when I requested this that you do own the card and it's in your possession right now. Normally when a scan comes back the paper covers the entire card except for the PSA/SGC information so it would be hard for someone to claim it as their own. |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
If I'm interested in an item on Ebay, I'll email the seller and politely ask if they had a Buy It Now price in mind. I know that this is just another way of attempting to end the auction early, but 1) it never hurts to ask and 2) there is nothing wrong with it. |
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Posted By: Larry
I am totally in agreement with Paul Moss...If those that live by the snipe and wait so patiently to try to "get the best deal" so that the price is not driven up, there are just as deservant a seller should be able to take an offer that is deemed reasonable..The fair way e bay should operate is similar to major auctions in that you must have put a bid in at some point in order to have extended bidding time..or in this case to snipe, this way no one would end early or at least have the option of extending bidding lets say for 3 minutes after only if there was some prior bid that way dealers will not send their best cards to major auctions only. Look how the quality of pre war cards on e bay has dropped, everyone knows that they can sell it thru auction houses and are protected from sniping..I understand those that prefer to bid only at the end but that is why I will consider a fair offer as long as it is not within 24 hours of closing. If I see there is no action on a card, that is a seller's option just like it is a buyer's option to wait. This is a policy that probably will not change, if everyone waited until the end and there was no bidding, only garbage would be offered on e bay. |
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Posted By: Martin Neal
I would like to know who talked the seller of the t205 Moran stray line to end the auction early? This happened on March 23rd. I guess I would like to offer my congrats. I did email the seller and he said he decided to keep the card but, I've got a suspicion that he sold it. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Cards collecting is not the only place sniping and no bids until the last second happen. When I had my gaming and comic store we did a brisk business in vintage toys in the mid to late 90s. The bidding was as cutthroat as anything you see in the vintage card market with same complaints about sniping, auctions ending early and all the other complaints you hear here. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
One thing folks who deride sniping are forgetting is that with ebay your "name" is out there if you bid early and it can be tracked. I initially started using a snipe program because I learned that there were certain collectors who searched my name as a bidder to see what I was chasing after (mostly in the boxing card arena). They'd let me do the hard work of ferretting out the cards then they'd jump in and take them. To this day when I see something really rare and I want to enter an early bid so that the seller doesn't end run me, I will use a friend's ebay account to bid on it just so I won't be tracked. I also had a malicious collector on my tail who would purposely run up my bids on certain cards, so I had to start sniping. In other words, it isn't that simple when it comes to sniping. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
You don't have to bid on an item to track it. If you set up myebay you can track different items without having to worry about someone watching what your watching. Adam, I know exactly what you mean. It used to be the only way to track something was to either write the item number down or bid on it. The ebay improvements have made that unnecessary. In the past you could find out what a certain person was bidding on and let them do the dirty search work for you. Now that doesn't have to be the case. |
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Posted By: J Levine
In Bob's orginal post, I am the Joshua who had snipes placed. I also had the high bids on many of the cards that ended early. Yes, I was annoyed. I have no problem asking to end an auction early in two circumstances only. If there are no bids or if I am the high bidder. In this instance, I did not ask the seller to end early...maybe I should have. I was annoyed. I was more annoyed that the seller ignored my e-mails for an explanation afterwards. |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
I track 75-100 auctions a week through ebay for my book research. Tracking isn't the issue, it is people using my name to find items of interest. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
My general selling pattern is to have 95% of my items in my eBay store. It's buy it or don't buy it. Most of the items list are unique and I try to have a fair price. Potential buyers ask questions before puchasing. There are no 'make a best offers,' but it's okay to email an offer and I'll change the BIN. Someone recently asked if I would lower the price on a baseball, I thought it over then did. |
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)
Adam, |
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Posted By: leonl
I've only made offers to end auctions early when no bids were placed yet. With all of the folks making offers, as seen in this thread, I will most likely disregard my own personal feelings and make offers.....When in Rome I guess....(I still think it sucks though).....regards |
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Posted By: Bob
I think Paul Moss is right on the money in his post and I agree with it completely. I also believe Adam is correct with his views but I don't believe anyone can find out which cards you are "watching" on ebay unless you place a bid on it. Isn't this correct? |
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Posted By: Paul Stratton
Does anyone know exactly how much time was left in the auctions when they were ended? I was watching them as well and it seemed there wasn't that much time left(under a day). |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I'm not condoning anything and don't end an auction early if there is a bid, but I firmly beleive that snipers and last second bargain hunters contribute to auctions ending early. If a seller sees little to no bidding on his eBay cards days into an auction and is worried about them going for rock bottom, he may be happy to end an auction early to sell at a fair price. If a $200 card is sitting at 99 cents for five and a half days, many sellers would be relieved that someone wants to buy it for $180. If there was healthy bidding on the card, he likely wouldn't entertain the offer. And the reason it's sitting at 99 cents for five days is because of snipers and last second bargain bidders. |
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Posted By: Bob
Paul- that's a good point that the number of watchers should have told the seller something. I agree with David that sniping has probably given seller's cold feet but if you don't believe in trying to get a seller to end an auction early or if you try and he won't, sniping is your only and last resort. Personally I detest sniping, especially when you are bidding against a collector friend who you didn't know had entered a bid, either because he is sniping also, or you set your sniper 4 days ago and didn't go back and check and saw when the auction was over that earlier that day your friend had entered a bid. On the other hand, I do sometimes snipe, it is just too hard to go wire to wire anymore on ebay and win a card. |
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Posted By: Ben
Add my name to the list of ebayers who were disappointed to see those Bishops end early. At the very least, I hope the seller got a decent price because if the auctions had run their course, there would have been some spirited bidding at the end to say the least (my snipe on the one I wanted was $400+ as well). |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
As far as I know, a watch list cannot be tracked by another user; I was referring to tracking after placing bids early as the reason why I had to switch to sniper services. I sell too and I watch the watchers. I am glad to have that feature because I use it as a shorthand to determine the level of real interest in my items. |
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Posted By: Mark Evans
I agree with Adam's points that it is ok to snipe and to ask sellers to end auctions early. I would add one more point though. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
anandale counters only counts unique IP addresses. If you go back multiple times over multiple days, it only records you as on hit on the counter. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
It should be noted that, at least initially, many manual bidders considered sniping to be unethical. In fact, I bet that many of these collectors would have considered sniping more unfair to other bidders than ending an auction early. |
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Posted By: martin dalziel
Jay, i didn't know that, so thanks. |
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Posted By: jay behrens
The thing I've noticed with LPs is that the best sellers are of obscure Jazz and Latin music. The main reason for this is DJ are always looking for material to loop and use in their music without having to pay any royalties. It can backfire, as in the case of the group RAdiohead that used some vocals from an old 30s blues song and a relative of that musician recognized the loop. Radiohead ended up losing big bucks and disbanded because of the lawsuit. |
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Posted By: Paul Stratton
Maybe the next step could be to find out where the seller lives and make him "...an offer he can't refuse". Just accost the seller at home or work and throw wads of cash at him/her and refuse to leave without the card(s). Money will make people do crazy things. How far off can this be? |
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Posted By: Bob
David- I remember the first time anyone ever used a sniping service against me, it was Doug Schwartz user id vendomecat. It turned out when I got to know him that he was a nice guy but at the time when he sniped me on 8 straight E98s, I was shell shocked and, as you correctly mentioned in your post, screaming at him from my computer room. I couldn't figure out how he was manually doing that, since the auctions all ended almost simultaneously. Not long after that someone told me there was such a thing as a sniping service. I thought it was flat out wrong, evil and downright dodgey for anyone to use one. You are right David, my how times have changed... |
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Posted By: Kary
"anandale counters only counts unique IP addresses. If you go back multiple times over multiple days, it only records you as on hit on the counter." |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefieldf
Just for a moment, you guys, imagine how eBay auctions would work if there were no sniping... |
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Posted By: Matthew
I'd be curious to know what the E99 & the Henley would have sold for vs. the actual price paid. Man, I really wanted that Henley 150 series. I knew I would not be around for the end of the auction, so I got up before work that morning to put in a big bid & could not find it anywhere |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I haven't looked at the Anadale site lately, but I am not aware of any option that lets you choose between all hits and unique hits. I know the counters offered thru TurboLister is unique hits and I am sure that is what most people use. |
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Posted By: Bob
Frank- I understand and sympathize with your post but as someone who has been shot down time and time again by a snipe bid after leading for 7 days on a card, you aren't being realistic. The purpose of the snipe bid is, as stated above, to enable you to catch other bidders unaware with a bid sufficient to win an item and also to not leave the other bidders any opportunity to respond. I tend to usually bid a middle amount on cards, more than just a "bookmark" bid but less than I would spend to win the card. After examining bidding patterns and the bids themselves, I try to come up with an amount which I could live with and either enter a snipe bid or cross my fingers and hope no one will bid higher at the end. |
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Posted By: Bob
"A good way for you guys to keep these things from ending early is to bid 'em on up at the "git go", instead of sniping around like theives in the night. If you guys will bid early, proudly, and seriously, then the early endings would cease. I was top bidder on several of the early ending lots." - Frank Wakefield. |
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Posted By: ScottM
Most eBay sellers are less concerned about about the $200 card selling for $400 than the $200 card selling for the $9.99. And anyone who has sold on eBay has had the proverbial $200 card sell for $9.99. Snipers play into the sellers' fears that the $200 card will sell for $9.99. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
i can add a little insight to the situation tbob...but not the whole story. let me 1st say I've never asked anyone to end an auction early becaus65e I am against it...so here goes. |
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Posted By: Kary
Jay, |
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