Another one for the PSA idiot files

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Posted By: T206Collector

<<Comparing PSA to PRO is absolutely ridiculous. To fail to recognize that surely reveals a mediocre understanding of grading at best. You may have your complaints or arguments, but let's not exaggerate.>>

I was not comparing PSA to PRO. I was trying to give an example of a baseball card scenario involving 3rd party grading that might get a disinterested party mad. It was a comparison in that if PRO can get you mad, PSA can get me mad. It's not that much of a stretch. I was not saying PRO is anywhere in the same league as PSA.

<<Demonize a publicly traded company that doesn't know that you exist.>>

Like, um, say Enron or MCI WorldComm?

<<Paul, nice to see that you are now pontificating on what is and what is not a criminal fraud. Why not leave that up to the experts, say, like me, who acutally is a criminal lawyer?>>

While I am not a criminal lawyer and will admit that my weakest classes in law school were criminal law and criminal procedure, I would not say sticking to my day job is entirely inconsistent with pointing out a garden variety fraud. I was not placing wagers on the chances of a criminal conviction or what the jury might say.

As one lawyer to another, can we agree that Black's Law Dictionary is not a bad place to start for legal definitions?

fraud, n. 1. A knowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her injury.

Here that is misrepresenting that the card is not trimmed in order to induce another to purchase the card for more than it is worth.

That is fraud plain and simple.

If you really want to play technical, tell me what state you practice in and I'll find you the definition of fraud in the criminal practice statutes of your state and I will bet you that this falls into that definition too. Again, would you get a conviction, who knows -- but if your jury was a group of SGC collectors, you just might.