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Posted By: tbob

Adam- no disrespect was intended on my part but I question if you see sports memorabilia and cards as more than just an investment tool. If not, I feel sorry for you. Maybe it is naive to think that young collectors avidly read about the history of baseball and are in love with this great game and its tradition. If you want to try and make a fortune collecting cards, more power to you but I think you make a mistake when you talk about collectors always wanting high grde cards and the market always being there. My take is that there will always be a market for low to mid grade cards whose prices don't fluctuate so wildly and are available at decent prices for true collectors.
The backbone of the hobby is in low to mid grade card collectors. I have also found that that these collectors are some of the nicest and cordial people I have ever met. Oh sure there are guys who collect high ticket stuff and have the cash to do it who are also good guys but the backbone is and always will be with the true collector who loves the game and the cards that depict that sense of history and tradition.
Tbob

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

I get what you are saying Tbob. I were just trying to state MY OWN opinions concerning the collecting of PSA 1,2,3 and collecting as an investor and collector, as I have been on both sides of the fence. Then, all of a sudden because of MY opinions the thread turns into a GREAT, BIG, HUGE Adam J. Moraine bash fest. I don't recall calling anyone derogetory names. With the exception of poking fun at Paul's last name. I were called everything from uncool to a spoiled brat to a dairy farmer, to you name it, based upon my opinions that I do not think PSA 1,2,3 are worth collecting. As a HOBBY, YES they are, I will admit that. As an investment, NO they are not.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: will watson

$100,000 collection? i seriously doubt that. book value and real world resale value are two entirely different things.

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

I GUARANTEE YOU, MY KENNEDY AUTOGRAPH WOULD SELL FOR MUCH MORE THAN WHAT I PAID FOR IT. BY THE WAY, THATS WHAT ITS INSURED FOR. SUPPLY AND DEMAND, AND DESIRABILITY ARE THE KEY FACTORS. AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, SHOW ME, SOMEONE MY AGE (24) WHO HAS PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S AUTOGRAPH IN THERE COLLECTION? THEY(THE PERSON MY AGE) HAS TO ACTUALLY OWN THE AUTOGRAPH. IT CAN NOT BELONG TO MOM, DAD, GRANDPARENTS, AUNTS, UNCLES, ETC.

BEST REGARDS,

ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: T206Collector

...based on your ability to spend $122 on an obviously fake 1933 Lajoie on ebay, I doubt you'd find a buyer for most of the autographs you did not obtain in person. That is because your credibility as someone who knows what he is doing is totally shot, both because of that purchase and your posts in this list. If you ran an informal poll on this board, I would guess most of the readers of your posts would have a hard time believing you have $100,000 worth of anything in your life, let alone such a valuable autograph collection. You can insure your collection as much as you want, whether you could collect on that plan if your lost Sammy's shoelaces is quite another.

I, for one, am quite certain that many of the autos you didn't get in person are cheap forgeries. I would also not be surprised if some of the ones you did get in person are. In fact, if you send me your 1953 Mickey Mantle baseball card, I'd be happy to autograph it "Best Regards, Mickey Mantle." That way, it would be as authentic as your JFK auto.

Paul Mifsud (aka T206Collector)

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Posted By: will watson

JFK? my dad owned a JFK signed document (along with a few other presidents- only one i can remember offhand is LBJ). i'm the benefactor in his will, and since he died three years ago, his autograph "collection" is now mine. so sorry to burst your bubble buddy, but you aren't the only 24 year old who owns a JFK auto

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Posted By: Tom

Just checking to see if I was able to log in. Nothing to say about this topic.

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

T-206 COLLECTOR ALL OF MY AUTO'S THAT I DO NOT OBTAIN IN PERSON COMES FROM UACC REGISTERED DEALERS. THEY ARE THE PREMIER AUTOGRAPH DEALERS IN THE COUNTRY.OUR OWN RICHARD SIMON, IS ONE OF THE MANY DEALERS I HAVE PURCHASED FROM. I CAN ASSURE YOU, ALL OF MY AUTOGRAPHS I DO NOT OBTAIN IN PERSON ARE AUTHENTIC. www.uacc.org

THE KENNEDY AUTOGRAPH CAME FROM MAX RAMBOD (www.maxrambod.com)
THE MOTHER TERESA AUTOGRAPH CAME FROM BARB PENGELLY (www.autographdomain.com)
THE TEDDY ROOSEVELT LETTER DATED FEB 3, 1915 CAME FROM WALTER BURKS (www.burksautographs.com)

SO CHOKE ON THAT, TO WHOEVER WANTS TO DOUBT THE AUTHENTICITY OF MY AUTOGRAPH COLLECTION.

BEST REGARDS,

ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: T206Collector

Even if authentic, which, again, I doubt, John F. Kennedy gets you, what, $1,500 tops?

http://www.rrauction.com/bidtracker_detail.cfm?IN=60

After Kennedy, Mother Teresa (did she play for the Rockford Peaches?), 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle and Sammy Sosa's footwear, I'd say your collection is up to what, $5,000, tops? Where are you justifying $100,000 in insurance?

Bob Feller signs for free every year at Indians Spring Training. How many Feller autographs do you think are out there? Same for most of your autographs -- they're plentiful by the hundred thousand.

In 30 seconds or less, can you give us your top 10 items and what you think they are worth? I'd also love to hear about your broad pre-war baseball card collection, since this is after all a board dedicated to pre-war baseball cards.

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Posted By: al davis

Here is goes. I am 45 years old (46 on December 3). I have been collecting since 1969. Here's a SAMPLE of what I have autograph of Boog Powell(Got 3 of em'), Ozzie Canseco, Jamie Moyer, Dan Rather, individual 8x10 photos of nearly EVERY B-LIST comedian that has played the Improv in Des Moines. Oh yeah, I have a Sidney Ponson game used wrist band. Oh yeah,I have over 200 cards (not just Fleer, but also Donruss and Score). TRUST ME, ONE DAY MY FRIEND YOU WILL SEE THE DAVIS COLLECTION HIT THE AUCTION BLOCK. FROM THAT DAY ON, YOU WILL STILL BE LIVING IN HELLHOLES LIKE CALIFORNIA, WHILE I ENJOY THE COMFORTS THAT ONLY SIOUX CITY CAN PROVIDE!

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Posted By: andy becker

what is the over/under on the misuse of "i were"????

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Posted By: T206Collector

Well, let's see, on ebay I could've had this one for $25....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1447&item=6185802978&rd=1

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Posted By: Glenn

"My No. 1 goal in life is to have a multimillion-dollar investment portfolio before the age of 50. Currently, my collection is worth more than $100,000. I do research on Internet auction sites and read the Beckett Almanac of Baseball Cards to keep abreast of current values.

Do you have limits on what items you buy?I prefer to collect vintage baseball stuff that dates from the 1950s and 1960s. Those were the innocent days of the hobby, when baseball stars played for the love of the game and not the multimillion-dollar contracts."

Is no one going to comment on the amusing juxtaposition of the above paragraphs? I haven't smiled this hard in years.

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Posted By: Chad

I tell you what. I'll sell somebody my autograph for a thousand bucks and then I promise I'll never sign another one ever again. I'll even sign an office used undershirt to make things refractor-tastic. Think of it, you'll own a one of a kind item! A bargain!

--Chad

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

DAVIS, YOUR ARE A FELLOW IOWAN??? GLENN, WHAT'S THE JOKE? DID I MISS SOMETHING? KEEP ON SMILING, GLENN. I WANT YOU, AND EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD TO DOUBT ME, SO THEN I CAN THROW IT RIGHT BACK IN YOUR FACES.WHICH, ALL IN DUE TIME, I WILL. GUARANTEED. BY THE WAY, THE MOTHER TERESA AUTO. ON EBAY STATES THAT IT'S A COPY OF A SIGNED PHOTO. WHAT I HAVE IS A SHORT NOTE SIGNED BY HER. T-206 COLLECTOR, LETS HERE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT IN YOUR COLLECTION. HELL, YOUR PROBABLY SOME BABY BOOMER WHO HAD YOUR CARDS HANDED DOWN TO YOU FROM POPS! RIGHT??? OR YOU PROBABLY HAVE SOME CUSHY, OFFICE JOB THAT PAYS YOU HIGH SIX-FIGURES A YEAR TO DO SQUAT, SO YOU ARE IN A POSITION TO BUY PREWAR CARDS...... RIGHT??? WHICH ASSESSMENT IS CORRECT?

BEST REGARDS,

ADAM J. MORAINE

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Posted By: will watson

ok, i finally read through the whole thread. Adam Morraine, you might have a nice collection and a good portfolio, but quotes like "My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them" tell me that you either know very little about the hobby, very little about investing, or both.

from an investment standpoint, low grade cards are probably the safest bet. the higher the grade, the higher the volatility. especially taking in to account the "Set Registry" aspect. when investing in high grade cards, the card itself is not the only "investment." the numerical grade, and low population, is also a huge selling point. and ask any seller of high grade cards, and you'll get the same response - you can double your money on some cards, and get hosed on others. and when investing in high grade low pop cards, the longer you sit on them, the riskier your investment becomes. pop reports will invariably increase over time, usually at a faster pace than new collectors coming in to the hobby wanting to purchase them. i've seen several low pop 60's cards that used to sell for $1000 each - and now that the big spenders have acquired them, they sell for a few hundred tops. it's a total crapshoot. from an investment standpoint, that seems like an incredibly risky proposition.

edit: please stop typing in all caps. it's annoying. you can get your point across just as well typing words in lower case.

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Posted By: T206Collector

$250 tops? The woman lived 86 years. How many of these do you think she signed?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14433&item=6540044900&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

And Teddy Roosevelt for under $1,000?

http://www.historyforsale.com/html/prodetails.asp?documentid=32692&start=1

Now what else do you have? We're still quite a ways from $100,000....

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Would you guys prefer if I were to puchase some T-206,Playball,or Goudey cards in MINIMUM VG condition. Would that appease this board? T-206 Collector, PAGES of history isn't even a registered UACC dealer. Therefore I would not even think about purchasing there "Mother Teresa" autograph. HISTORY for sale IS in fact, a registered dealer. Keep in mind, the Roosevelt letter is for DIRECT SALE, its NOT up for bids at Christies, Sothebys, or Mastronet.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine
p.s. STILL waiting to hear what you have T-206. How did YOU obtain your collection? Pops? or 6 figure, cushy, do- nothing office job?

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Posted By: T206Collector

...if you would list the T-206, Goudey and Play Ball cards you own that are in better than VG condition. And, no, your 1933 Goudey Lajoie doesn't count...

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

Yawn. Big yawn.

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Posted By: Greg

I would be satisfied with some clear scans of the Real Estate section of a Greenwich CT paper, I think I need to move up in the world to throw my status in to someones face. My cards are better too.
GB

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Lets here what you got Don Newcombe, I mean Tim Newcombe (any relation, by the way?)

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: T206Collector

Although I primarily collect T206 cards, I do have a stray card here and there from other sets. In fact, I too have a 1953 Topps Mantle in SGC 3 condition. I was wondering if your Mantle was in better condition, and if so, I'd like to see a scan (or at least a PSA/SGC/GAI certificate number).

http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images.asp?cardid=21261&usetid=1129

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Greg, homes in Greenwich, CT START at nearly 1 million. type in Greenwich, Ct real estate in goggle search.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraiine

Hell, Bobby Bonilla and George Foster live there. I have wrote to both of them. SORRY T-206, no digital cam or scanner. T-206 was it pops, or cushy 6 figure office do-nothing job that got you yor cards?

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Posted By: T206Collector

It is remarkable to me to hear about someone who dreams to sell his priceless collection of baseball sneakers to live there. Only in Iowa, I suppose.

And I have purchased my baseball card collection with money earned in a demanding office job in New York City. It's probably easier than milking cows in Iowa, but it's still pretty grueling in its own right...

And I am a ripe old 32 years old, just since June 16.

And you can peruse my SGC graded T206 cards at the set registry section of their website. Now that you know my last name, you're sure not to miss it...

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Posted By: will watson

"How did YOU obtain your collection? Pops? or 6 figure, cushy, do- nothing office job?"

why does it matter?

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Posted By: Glenn

Adam,

The joke is as follows:

In the paragraph immediately following the one in which you are quoted as saying "My No. 1 goal in life is to have a multimillion-dollar investment portfolio before the age of 50," you are quoted also to have said, "I prefer to collect vintage baseball stuff that dates from the 1950s and 1960s...the innocent days of the hobby, when baseball stars played for the love of the game and not the multimillion-dollar contracts."

The implication is that you have great admiration for people who do not share your own values SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE they do not share your values.

Were these in fact consecutive responses you gave in the interview, or, as I thought when I read it, do you think the reporter or editor is trying to make you look silly?

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Posted By: T206Collector

...because someone challenged him on his income source. It wasn't me, but I'm not ashamed I have an office job that affords me an opportunity to purchase T206 cards now and again.

Also, I have made shrewd baseball card purchases and sales on ebay that have made me a Power Seller (ebay ID: t-206collector). Unlike Mr. Moraine, who spends $122 on fake Lajoie cards and then throws them away.

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Greg, are you from C-A-L-I-F-I-R-N-I-A- OR C-A-L-I-F-O-R-N-I-A- (Check your member profile, there "COOL ONE" or go back to elementary school to learn the correct spelling of your homestate.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Then T-206 colletor, you can attest to the fact that Greenwich, CT is one of the most affluent communities in the United states.Where a lot of well-know individuals live..... correct? (Much to Greg's chagrin) What did you expect me to do with the Lajoie? Keep the damn thing? It's not as if $122.50 is going to break me anytime soon.I contribute that much to a ROTH IRA EVERY MONTH

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: Tim Newcomb

Getting sad now. Adam has begun to call other people on their spelling/typing errors. Adam, you might want to check back through your own messages crowing about all the famous people you "have wrote to" before making any more such observations.

And by the way, my collection is largely those beautiful low-grade cards you disparage-- which make me very happy.

Why don't you try to find a board about vintage cards as investments. Maybe the PSA board would work for you (hint, hint)............

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Tim, I have wrote to baseball players using Jack Smallings autograph handbook. (www.smallingautographs.com)

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: T206Collector

....is hardly groundbreaking news. Keep on collecting those PSA 4-10's and you may one day save enough money to purchase a round trip ticket from Des Moines to LaGuardia Airport in NYC, where you might just have enough left over for train rides to Greenwich and back to the airport. You'd probably have to get a connecting flight in Chicago, though, since I don't think Iowa has runways large enough to accomodate planes to fly you directly to the East Coast.

Now let's hear about your $100,000 collection. What pre-war cards do you have in PSA 4 or better condition?

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Posted By: T206Collector

...are only available to people with incomes less than $100,000. So, where, pray tell, are you getting all this money to purchase your $1,000,000 collection?

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

I have already listed by PSA graded cards in an earlier post. I have only been collecting prewar for several months here's what I have. a dozen T-206's (including Crawford batting, Huggins port, rest commons, all chases' magie) Magie is corrected version though. 1941 Playball Mel Ott, 1934-1936 batter-ups of Hornsby and Cochrane. That's about all that I can think of right now, though. Without having to go through my cards and dig them out.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

ALL would grade vg, with the exception of Ott, he would probably grade ex/mt+
it's a real beauty

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Posted By: Greg

There are no cowfields in Greenwich are there? Did George Foster sell you any of his old shoes? That should get you closer to your $1mil goal...then you can trade your collection to get that house you think is so great and rub elbows with neighbors who think you're a hayseed. You're making my day! Lets see some scans from that fabled "Iowa collection". To "talk" Mother Teresa and not "walk" Mother Teresa is a crime in CT.
GB

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Posted By: leon

I don't know whether I should just delete this thread or ask everyone to use their full names.....as per board policy. Any posts after this one, in this thread, really need to have some first and last names by them.....thanks

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Posted By: T206Collector

....and they made fun of my last name!

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Well, T-206 here is goes. I have been raised by my grandparents my entire life. My grandfather passed away Feb. of 2001 (diabetes) I have a GREAT disposable income, as I still live at home with my grandmother, and have minimal bills. (I pay water, cable, ADT home security, groceries, property taxes) My grandparents have lived in the same home since 1950. The house is paid for. The house wii be mine when my grandmother passes, which means I will NEVER have to buy a house or pay a mortage. (the house has NEVER been mortaged) I work 40-45 hours a week, as well.Hence, how I can afford to make these purchases.
Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

p.s. I also have custody of my daughter, as well. Partial apologies to Paul Mifsud, for calling him Paul MILFSTUD (I would not be complaining about that one though)

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Posted By: leon

I took care of that post....any other derogatory comments will be deleted as well. Anymore posts in this thread without first and last name will be deleted too....and I am about a click away from getting rid of this thread....I would have already but it's slightly amusing..... Thanks for your understanding.....

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Posted By: quan

this thread is great! it's like a male soap opera (whatever that means)...

to keep it on topic i would reiterate that alot of what people collect here are so scarce that even a G or VG item is considered high end, if they ever do come up.

quannimir (low-end collector personified)

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

I may oust Mr. Mint, and offically have the title of "Longest Bashed Thread" Just because I think, PSA 1,2,3 are hardly worth collecting. Geez, have you guys have seen what these cards look like.(someone post me some scans of PSA 1,2,3)Would any of the major auction houses/auctions want them in there auctions? With the exception of The Ruth, or T-206 wagner.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: John

Adam;

You’re getting upset because you feel people are suggesting you collect stuff other than what you’re proud of right? I don’t blame you, you should be proud of what you have. As should each and every collector here.

However Adam by saying how silly people are by purchasing low to mid-grade cards is just a nasty a thing to say, your basically telling them they don’t know how to collect which is very rude. I’m embarrassed about my collection compared to some of the collections here, I wouldn’t have the balls to throw down like you have, saying I have one of the top collections, regardless of what state I’m in. And the attitude and the way you have done it has taken away from your collection which is a shame, because I’m sure it’s very nice.

Adam people buy items for the fun of it believe it or not. I bought a nice car a year or two ago, I will guarantee you I will lose money on the deal when all said and done. But I don’t care. I have a (Small) bass boat I sink money into all the time, because I enjoy fishing not because I plan on becoming a professional bass fisherman or selling the boat for a profit. People collect cards for the same reason.

Be proud of your stuff man, but don’t tell everyone here how there wasting their fun money by doing something they love and enjoy.

I may be too old to post on this topic as I turned 30 last year. I had most of my collection by the time I was 19, and before anyone throws down. I came from a regular working class family and collected with little or no budget. Three yrs ago I bought my first 2 cards that were over the 5k mark, and I felt every bit of the 5k. Do I have a good job now (yes) do I plan on spending more money (yes) will I retire a millionaire (No) well at least not from baseball cards.

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Posted By: Josh K.

man this is a great thread - personally, let me add this - I have the greatest collection in the room in which I am currently typing.

Adam - there are some very nice 1,2 and 3 grade cards if you search hard enough. Unfortunately I am out of town and cant post the scan, but I have an sgc 30 or 40 (cant remember now) e121 eddie collins with four of the sharpest corners you will ever see. It looks like like a 9 and likely would be if not for an imperceptible wrinkle across the back of the card. It is one of the many nice examples of a low grade card that I own.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Some of the stuff makes me LMAO which I really need today (having a back problem).

Lemme see if I can recap: Adam, Jr. from IA who lives with his grammy and earns a bodacious enough living to put money into a Roth IRA has a few vintage cards and suddenly is enough of an investment guru to tell people who've been collecting for 10-20-30 or more years and who spend five figures per auction that only high grade slabbed stuff is worth investing in and that cards in low grade are worthless as investments. He then insists that this is true despite wave after wave of advanced collectors who collect these "worthless" items posting their contrary opinions and willingness to purchase those "worthless" items.

Adam, Jr., three things you will learn over time: (1) There is always someone out there smarter and better funded than you, (2) It pays to keep an open mind, and (3) Try not to take yourself so seriously; if you blow a gasket before you're 50 it won't matter how much your portfolio is worth because you won't be able to spend it.

Good luck on your quest to be a millionaire...Somehow, I think it's gonna be interesting

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

Sorry Warshaw I did not go to law school, and I do make the deep, six-figures you make. (aren't you the attorney who defends Corporations? or is that Josh?) I had the pleasure to email Josh Krasner several days ago. I have a lot of respect for him)

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

John (wonkaticket) Your post hit the nail on the head. THANK-YOU! Also, I checked out your web site,AWESOME cards. I LOVED the Anson N300!

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Posted By: dstudeba

I have enjoyed this thread thoroughly.

The last paragraph of warshawlaw's post is the total and utter truth.

D. Studebaker

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Posted By: Adam J. Moraine

"The last paragraph of Warshaw's post is the total and utter truth".

Is that a fact, Mr. Studebaker, or your and Warshaw's opinions? PLEASE provide me, EVIDENCE that will support your claims.

Best Regards,

Adam J. Moraine

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Posted By: joe brennan

All I can say if I wanted to listen to children spout about asperations, I can listen to my own 15 year olds. Adam, Portfolio and money, will not make you happy. And bragging about what you will have, makes no one else happy. I'd stick to collecting and enjoying. Trust me, little things in life are what will make you happy, not a big house or a bankroll. You may not see it now, but 1 day you will. BTW, I totally enjoy my T206's in any condition. out

"I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability" Ron White

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Posted By: Daniel Bretta

In the immortal words of Thomas Paine "Time makes more converts than reason" I think we ought to let time do it's job and leave Adam be. I don't think any amount of reasoning is going to convert this young fella.

Adam, good luck in your quest to be a millionaire. I don't think that is an unworthy goal, but be careful how you tread on other people in your quest.

Dan