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Posted By: Hal Lewis
OK, here we go: |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Dennis: The 2005 "big book" lists the R346 blue tints as being from "Circa 1948-1949"... |
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Posted By: Julie
Bread set, same year...the multui-player AND the AJackie set are BOTH sometimes called "Homoginized Bond." |
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Posted By: dennis
robinson has pinstriped uniform on must be yankee, joost has a c on cap,played with cincinatti in 43,elliot i can't tell from card pic.but uni looks different than kiners |
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Posted By: PASJD
Joe Gordon and Aaron Robinson appear in Yankee uniforms and Vern Stephens in St. Louis. So far, consistent with the 1947 hypothesis. EDITED TO ADD Indeed Joe Gordon would appear conclusive, a 1948 set would not possibly picture him in a Yankee uniform if he didn't play for them in 1947. EDITED TO ADD LINK SHOWING JOE GORDON: |
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Posted By: Wesley
I am going to post this on the B/S/T board, but since we are on the subject of these cards, does anyone have any of the thirteen 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson cards for sale? I have four and need nine of them and will pay handsomely for the other nine. |
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Posted By: dennis
http://www.oldcardboard.com/d/d305/d305.asp?cardsetID=1003 does this mean cards exist w/square and rounded corners --also printing on rounded looks darker |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
It sure looks like a 1947 set to me now. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Adam is correct. There may indeed be reprints on the market (there's reprints of a lot of stuff), but I have examined square corner cards that are genuine. In particular, microscopic examination of particular cards showed that the printing was vintage. I don't have an opinion about how the cards were cut-- whether the squares were cut later from sheets or whatever. How/when the cards were cut may be the grading companies' issue or question that prevent them from grading-- you'd have to ask them about that. But, putting aside the issue of cutting, there are square cards that are legitimate. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
OK, way to go people!! |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I would hardly call the 49 Bowman Jackie a full color card. It's a black and white photo with just a red background added. Cool card, but certainly not full color. I think the Bond Bread cards are actually done with greater clarity. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Going by memory here... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
You may be right, but it's just fake blue added on. Part of the charm of the 49 Bowmans is how crudely they were designed. I suppose you could say the same about the Leafs. Compare them with 1950 and on, and you see a big difference. When I first got into the hobby, 49 Bowman was my favorite set. |
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Posted By: PASJD
Hal you must be keeping track of this in some way, on how many HOFers would you say there is a clear consensus as to what their rookie cards are versus how many there are differences of opinion? |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Prior to 1950... |
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Posted By: PASJD
Well if one forum member can write a book on boxing cards, perhaps the inspiration to write a book on rookie cards will strike you. |
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Posted By: Josh
I am very familiar with these cards, both the 48 card set as well as the 13 card Robinson set. Is it possible for a card that was created using photoengraving to be counterfeited to look exactly like the card was originally printed? Originally, I did not think so, but after seeing some of the things I have seen, I actually think someone somewhere along the lines had access to advanced printing equipment (or perhaps an original printing machine capable of photoengraving), knew what they were doing, created professional plates using the same print pattern as the original, and ultimately created the suspected reprints of the 1947 set. I have examined many of these square and round corner cards, and the photoengraving looks legit under 10X on every one of them. I also believe that whoever created the counterfeits also is responsible for creating the entire 1963 Bazooka set in singles. And I also believe this person lives in Pennsylvania, and many of the cards, especially the fake Bazooka's, were introduced into the market locally around that area. Many of the sellers who are now selling them are from around that area. And I also think these cards have a direct tie with the eBay celebrity-for-a-day, paoutdoorsman. |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Josh, |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
Julie: |
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Posted By: Julie
think it looked like Yankee Stadium behiund him; the Montreal Royals didn't play in the 19th century, you know. |
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Posted By: Hal Lewis
True... |
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Posted By: PASJD
If Jackie appears in a Dodgers not a Royals uniform, including in an action photo, why would you think the pics were taken in Montreal? |
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Posted By: Julie
"Los Angeles Dodgers--Jackie Robinson-Timeline" to 1946--you will see a clear picture of Jackie in a Montreal Uniform,EXACTLY like one of my cards. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
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Posted By: Howie
Square cornered cards were known about prior to the Festberg find. They were known as W571, and described as coming with round or square corners in the mid-1970's Sports Collectors's Bible and the Stirling Sports Card Catalog D5002. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
My feeling is that there are more different cards and memorabilia than a collector could every buy, and the collector is picking and chosing which items to purchase. If a collector has pressing questions or concerns about a card or pin or Joe DiMaggio bat, he can chose not to purchase. Even if I disagree with the opinion about authenticity, I recognize that the collector owns the veto over what enters his personal collection. I don't own a single Homoginized Bread card, and can't say my life is lacking because of it. |
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Posted By: Scott Forrest
Many do not have pressing concerns or questions, because they don't realize there is a problem. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
The main point to readers and lurkers is that all Bond Bread/Homoginized Bread/square corner cards that are genuine can be authenticated, and it's actually not that difficult of a process. Perhaps the main graders will start grading them down the road. I don't fault them for taking their time before grading a different issue. Better too slow than too fast. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
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Posted By: Scott Forrest
They did a good job in the "Brooklyn" version of removing the stadium background, and creating "Dodgers" over the previous jersey logo. |
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Posted By: Scott Forrest
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60597&item=5182816859&rd=1 |
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Posted By: jackgoodman
from The Trader Speaks 8/80. I hope the scans are readable. |
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Posted By: scott
Just as an update. I will be recieving my order from GAI sometime this week and will try to post pic's of the 7 i sent in. All were graded anywhere from 7 on up to a 9 I believe. |
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Posted By: Wesley
Scott, Are the cards that you are getting back from GAI the Bond Homogenized Bread with multiple players or the Bond Bread Jackie Robinson cards? |
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Posted By: scott
I assume that is directed at myself ? But to answer your ? the one's i have are the multi player set. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
OK guys, I am 66 years old and the one great feature of aging is that your |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Hal, |
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Posted By: scott
But here are the rest. What do you guy's think ? Remember these are the square corner versions. Which there was some ? about. |
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