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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
I got a new (for me) book (Louisville Diamonds by Philip von Borries; Turner Publishing; 1996) yesterday about Louisville baseball and the author said there have been 5 ambidextrous pitchers in pro games. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: PianoLegs
Kevin, |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: three25hits
Kevin, |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: three25hits
Another SABR member responded --- |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: three25hits
Sean Holtz from Baseball Almanac -- |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: John(z28jd)
Im inclined to also believe that he may have pitched with both hands in the same game but i doubt he did it in his only major league game.Its not the kind of impression you'd wanna make in your major league debut at the age of 19. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
John: |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: i need a Roach
Dear Kevin, |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
First off, at the risk of repeating an often expressed sentiment, thanks to all the board members who jumped into the fray with help on this. Amazing the breadth and depth of resources here! |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Still no verdict, but a few more tidbits from the author: |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: halleygator
If a player such as Roach pitched right-handed the entire game ... |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Jeff S
...I don't remember exactly what was said about it, but I'm pretty sure it has happened--maybe even this past year. I'm not sure how I'd search for that in the SABR list archives, or I'd try to find it for you. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: jay behrens
The discussion has been going on concurrently here and on the SABR list. If I remember the SABR thread, there seems to be agreement that Roach did not switch pitch in his only appearance as a pitcher. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: runscott
think Amos Rusie's won/lost record was in 1895. I know that they are a bunch of baseball historians, so they should have some idea. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Durward
Scott, |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: jay behrens
That may have been accurate in 1996, but 19th century keeps getting updated all the time, so I wouldn't count on that being the 'offical' total. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: runscott
I thought this was a pretty simple question. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: runscott
Some of the things they have done are great, but I would think that if you asked a SABR member what Rusie's record was in 1895 that they could give you an answer, not say "gee, it changes all the time - isn't that cool?" |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: runscott
I just thought it odd that with all that access you have to SABR materials, that you couldn't give me an answer. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Mike Ward
that stats can just "change" with time. Maybe if we give a second look at every Pete Rose hit (and contact the official scorer), we can defrock him of the hit title. Then the HOF question will have less muster, hah. Call me old fashioned, but re-writing\adjusting history....I don't think so. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: jay behrens
Scott, i'm sorry I could not help you. Even though I am listed on the records adn statistical comittees, I have never had a need to find accurate 19th century records. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: runscott
This "stat gathering" thing has been a very enlightening process. I realize that it's difficult to dig up stats that weren't that important to the players at the time, or to try and "massage" them so that they correspond more closely to modern day stats. I wonder how many games AMOS thought he won in '95? |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: jay behrens
Where ever a researcher with SABR makes an announcement that he has found errors in the stat record he has a number of different sources to back up the claim. Also, a lot of the errors are found reading the game accounts, not just looking at the box scores. |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: john/z28jd
Its been a year since we had this discussion.Does anyone have any new info on the John Roach game that might make his case for pitching with both hands seem better,or anyone have any new info that makes it seem even more less likely that it happened |
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A Question for the SABR Folks
Posted By: Judge Dred
Here's a picture of Roach (NY - P). |
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