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Posted By: Jason Mishelow
On the card side this board has made it vedry clear that restoration is almost universally unacceptable- but what about for memorabilia- i collect mainly 19th century and becuase of a fairly limited budget often purchse items which are a bit worse for wear. For my purposes the conditon doesn't often bother me, after all these are often scarce items. Furthermore, I think that the sign of use often add a bit of soul to the item. But what do the rest of you think- does restroation ad value to an item or take it away. How much restoration do you think is accetable. And if you are in favor of restoration do you hold the same opinion for cards and if not why. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Restoration can make some items more valuable depending on the lengths you have to go to to restore an item. Baseball gloves can be restrung, cleaned and oiled often making it more valuable. However putting a new decal on a faded or worn decal bat is not what I would consider acceptable. Cleaning up a bat though is acceptable as far as I am concerned. |
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Posted By: Mike
My attitude towards memorabilia is the same as baseball cards or antique furniture etc. etc. Don't do it. Too many times it is done to deceive. But scumbags, thieves and butt holes will be doing it till the end of time. So folks better be educated and know what they are buying. Or you'll get burned. I am against all restoration of antiques of any kind. Now I know I will get blasted for that atitude. But it's mine, and I'm sticken' to it. ifa glove is restrung, and the buyer is informed, thats ok. As long as the seller is honest. But I am still against tampering of any kind. |
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Posted By: Joe K.
I am not a condition freak, and generally like to keep things as is. It adds character and is what you should expect from a sports antique. I am in favor of cleaning or repairing, but not alerting or replacing. On a uniform I will clean dirt, remove sports, mend rips and stitch holes - but that is about the length of it. Trophies I polish. Gloves and bats I clean and remove dirt. |
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Posted By: Mike H
Restoration and cleaning are different creatures for me. Cleaning the dirt off a glove, store model bat, trophy, etc and applying an oil is not only acceptable, but adds value. Like Joe stated, minor repairs are also acceptable, but should be disclosed. Now with game used equipment, this is a Bozo no no. |
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Posted By: Mike
I have a pair of Jimmie Foxx cleats, that still have the original dirt on them, from 1931. That tells you how much I am against cleaning and altering. But that's just me....to clean and polish the shoes would take away from their ......what ever it is, I can't think of the word. You get the point. |
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Posted By: Mike H
Exactly my point regarding game used pieces. Wipe away the dirt, and you wipe away the history. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Restoration will often help preserve a piece that is in a state of deterioration. A brittle poster, for example, can be de-acidified so that it will not crack, or a layer of Japanese tissue can be applied to the back to fortify it. Likewise, an albumen photograph develops a layer of acidic "gunk" on the surface that can be easily removed. |
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Posted By: Mike
Let me qualify my earlier thread....of course some things need to be cleaned and or preserved. Antique cars for instance. Art work. Historical buildings. And sometimes if cleaning actually helps or saves something from decaying or rotting, well then of course it should be done. But for those who take items and alter or clean and or change them, in order to deceive folks, and or to change a grade that a third party has given it, in order to make a dollar. I don't believe in absolutes, and of course there is a time for some cleaning and or restoration. I am against card restoration. But that is for the other forum. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Any act to deceive someone in any walk of life is unethical. I think that's a given. If you restore a piece of memorabilia, or even a house before you sell it, you must reveal it to a prospective buyer. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I don't think restoration has ever been a major problem in memorabilia as it has in cards because it has been acceptable to a point whereas in cards it's just flat out unacceptable. I've never seen a case where something was sold that was restored/cleaned and wasn't disclosed....that kind of stuff goes on with cards all the time. |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Restoration (as opposed to mere surface cleaning) for memorabilia is completely different than restoration for baseball cards. For the latter such treatment is taboo; for memorabilia, for most collectors, it not only is acceptable but also recommended. |
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Posted By: leon
I am still leery about having the 1897 Beaneaters Chickering photo I have cleaned. Since I will eventuaally be selling it, and it's not that bad, wouldn't it be better to leave it to the prospective buyer to do it or not? I don't think it will deteriorate in the short amount of time I will be owning it. It does look like there is a thin coating of grime or dirt on the surface......after all it is over 100 yrs old.....regards (no Corey, I don't think I will be buying a big nice frame for it either )......it will most likely be sold au natural... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Leon- since your photo has probably been haphazardly stored for 110 years without disintegrating, I doubt that in the relatively short time you own it anything will actually happen to it. However, sometimes when the surface of an albumen is cleaned to remove the acids, it actually looks better after the process. I guess you would need to determine if you think it would be more presentable after a cleaning (which might set you back $100-200, pretty minimal). |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Depends how dirty it is. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Corey and I posted our dissenting views on framing at the same time. Leon, after you've spent several hundred dollars to have it professionally framed and matted, wait until you get the customer who comes to your table and asks you to take it out of the frame so he can see what it really looks like...and then passes. Boy, will you be steaming! |
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Posted By: Corey R. Shanus
Conceptually, why is framing materially different than restoration whose sole purpose is to improve the aesthetic appearance of an item? The latter is regarded as an accepted and effective marketing practice because it makes an item more appealing to some prospective purchasers. Assuming framing can have the same impact (and in my view, to some prospective purchasers, it can), what's the real downside? Spending a few hundred dollars more on an item you're hoping to sell for 50 to 75 times that amount?! On an analagous note, would a fine art gallery not find it in their interest to from time to time update the decor of its studio to ensure that valuable artwork is not displayed on peeling walls surrounded by worn carpeting? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I partially agree. |
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Posted By: scgaynor
I cringe when I see framed pieces. While some people really do just want to enhance the piece, 95% of the time the frame is hiding damage on a vintage item. Also, it adds alot to the cost of shipping and there is a chance the frame will break and damage the item inside. Finally, rarely do buyers pay a premium for a frame. If you are going to sell it in a gallery, then you can charge a "gallery" price (usually 5-10X retail) and it makes sense. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
If something old is framed and matted, assume the worst and you won't be disappointed. |
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Posted By: Mike
As mentioned I collect original wire and news photos. And of course other objects made of paper. I have a bit of an advantage in that my daughter is a certified framer, and has been doing it for many years. She handles fairly valuable pieces of art work. So I trust her. She makes sure the object is 100% safe, and that it receives acid free everything. And UV protecting glass. Otherwise my valuable paper items would never see the light of day. Lay a newspaper out in the sun for 6 hours. Ouch ! The downside to this is that it can get expensive doing this. Even though I get a 40% discount because of my connections. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I would never buy a display photo that was matted and framed unless it was first taken out so that I could inspect the mount. That's just my policy, period. |
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Posted By: mr. moses
I have 150+ items that are mounted and framed. I don't keep them in a safety deposit box:-) and like to enjoy them (although admittedly I have some stored in my closet as I don't live in a mansion). My best pieces are in my best frames and I have spent upwards of 400.00 to frame my best piece. I have no plans to sell my best pieces. I enjoy them more than if I had put them in a plastic sleeve (not cheap either 20.00 - 30.00 for a large one). I try and make a note on my inventory if there is some kind of damage that I have matted out. In going to SELL a piece, it is generally best to NOT have it in a frame for the reasons outlined above (buyer's assumption that something is being hidden is reflected in a lower selling price, added shipping expense, damage, and the person may think your choice of framing as weak). If it is a high dollar item and the frame enhances the image enough to warrant the extra expenditure; it should at least be considered. A frame is also decent protection as long as you are not sending it somewhere. The deception part is tricky. Always someone out there trying to separate you from your money. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I was born before they even invented seltzer. |
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Posted By: mr. moses
Just to touch on the frame issue (and get a rare chance to show a few minerals:-) |
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Posted By: leon
Cool stuff...thanks for sharing....I like the rocks...and will show my 10yr old tomorrow. She loves rocks too....regards |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Your rocks and minerals (excuse me if I'm poorly labelling them) are perhaps the best 'displayable' collectable I have now seen! The way the lighted cabinet infuses or brings out the color and shape of those pieces is stunning....truly. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Ore of yore. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
of Mork from Ork............ |
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Posted By: Greg Theberge
Great Tobacco items above!! Love those lithographs. Thanks for sharing. |
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