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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: dan mckee
Check this out, I enjoyed this one! What a company! What quality! What a bunch of IDIOTS!! |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Julie Vognar
on a holder it wanted to! |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Kenny Cole
Or, it could be something like an E-120. I dunno. PSA clearly knows more than I do. Just another reason why I don't like graded cards. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Can't argue the point about the grading company, but it doesn't say much for the seller's or buyer's knowledge of vintage cards either, does it? |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Anonymous
OK, I give. What's wrong with the card/grade? |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: petecld
Good point. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: brian p
The card is identified as a 1932 US Caramel card, when it is a 1921 (or 1922?) American Caramel Card. Frisch is in both sets, so this explains how the cotton candy graders at this company made the mistake (that, and a complete lack of knowledge of the vintage cards they are grading). |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: brian p
Why in the heck is this card already over $230.00? |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: bimmy
oh my god, psa made an error! lord knows we havnt seen this before! those guys are such idiots they dont know what '32 caramel looks like! |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: runscott
as you stated, this certainly does provide more evidence that they are idiots, but "idiot" is kind of a strong word - I'm sure that some of their graders are knowledgeable about vintage cards, just not as high a percentage as employed by the other major grading companies. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Julie
card listed on the holder! |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: JC
It's over 230.00 because it's a rare mis labelled card from PSA... I have never owned one of these but I have seen them from time to time on Ebay. Maybe before buying this rare mis-labelled card we should contact the seller to make sure he has not cracked out the real McCoy. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: jay behrens
bimmy, you are looking like a PSA apologist. Do these "look, PSA screwed up again" threads get a bit tiresome? Yes. But this is well deserving of it's own thread because the card listed on the label doesn't remotely resemble the card in the holder. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: warshawlaw
Not even in the same decade. And the card even says American Caramels on the back! |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: bimmy
"bimmy, you are looking like a PSA apologist." |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: jay behrens
Volume is not an excuse. Volume should mean that they are far more familiar with the cards, rather than making ridiculously obvious errors that could be caught if the label was double checked for accuracy. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: bimmy
so youre expecting a 0%, error free company? be reasonable. volume isnt the excuse, its human error. familiarity with a given card doesnt account for human error. psa has graded...what...houndreds of thousands of cards? millions? mistakes are bound to happen. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: jay behrens
a typo is human error. Identifying a 1922 e121 American Caramel card as a 1932 US Caramel goes beyond human error. Calling the person or persons involved idiots, is probably justafied and they ahve no business handling and grading vintage cards. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: runscott
I for one am very glad that you joined the board discussions - very amusing stuff. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: bimmy
whats a typo then? why cant typing a 3 in the place of a 2 be a typo. i work in a biotech lab where we have to label a lot of vials and i have seen mislabeled vials, just an accidental 1 number difference. my situation is by no means identical to a card grading company but i can certainly have an understanding of the problem. if a grader can not identify a 32 caramel, which i find highly unlikely, then this mislabeling should be repeated. show me a couple more examples and i'll join in with the "their idiots" chant. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Anonymous
bimmy, are you clueless? Let me make this as clear as possible so I don't confuse you anymore. If the label said "1932 American Caramel e121" I would write it off as a typo. Given that the label says "1932 US Caramel" a completely different set of cards that bears no resembles to the card in the holder, this would be gross stupidity on the part of the person identifying the cards and the person that is double checking the info, if such a person exists. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: jay behrens
somehow I got logged out even though I haven't left the site. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)
It's not a simple slip from 1922 to 1932. Not only was PSA ten years off, they assigned a number for a card that has none (comes from an unnumbered set), they mistook a black and white card for a card from a colored set, and, as Warshawlaw noted, they identified US Caramel when the card clearly states American Caramel. A remarkable gaffe, wouldn't you agree? |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: bimmy
sorry professor but i was thinking that the problem went wrong with the data entry. im just assuming here but psa labels are probably made from a computer database of cards they grade, instead of typing in 1922, the person typed 1932, up came the frisch info and bingo, error made. the person could have made the typo or had a momentary lapse. iam oversimplifying a bit, but you get my point. if the person did look at the card and know (think) it to be a 1932 caramel and label it such, why would the person attach the number #30 to it? he would either have the number memorized, or have to look it up...maybe on the computer and hence the error. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: jay behrens
Your preset data theory cannot be correct since we have seen tons of examples where they got the year wrong but the card set right. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: bimmy
on which cards? did they label a 1910 obak as 1911? the fact is if they honestly thought this was a 1932 caramel, there would be more mislabeled 32's and 22's. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: runscott
There are several steps in the "grading life" of a card, and multiple sets of eyes look at each one. This makes it virtually impossible for errors like this one and the Hermansk, which occur at PSA. Face it - this is blatant. To me it isn't an issue of whether or not the grader honestly thought the label was correct - it's an issue of the fact that this error made it out the door. How many people looked at it first? I'm guessing "1". |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I realize you are new here, so I'll cut you some slack on that. There use to be a lot of typo posted and those haved stopped becuase those are legit mistakes that can be attributed to the slip of a finger. This slab however, and others like it that have gotten out, is inexcusable. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Todd (nolemmings)
It is possible that once "1932" was typed, the other info kind of automatically followed. Still, seems to me that, since neither the 1932 US Caramels or the 1922 American Caramels has a copyright or other date on the back, the grader would have to refer to a resource in order to even know what year to type in the first place, and having looked at that resource, could easily see that the two sets are not remotely similar. In fact, to conduct a search for an unknown year, presumably the grader would type in the manufacturer (american caramel) and would have seen that no cards were issued by that manufacturer in 1932. If he searched by player, then he was a pinhead to select the 1932 set, when that set is numbered and the card he is looking at is not. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: marty
With all of the discussion of typos, I have not seen any comments about a typo with the number grade with any company. I know of people that entered cards on the PSA Set Registry and were told that the card did not have the grade that PSA showed. PSA required a scan of the card, not personal inspection to have their data base changed. If someone can make a new flip on the Rose card that was a duplicate, could they not more easily make a new flip of an existing cert # with a new grade and have PSA correct their data base also? Just a thought. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: bimmy
YES... jay, scott, todd youre starting to see how im thinking here. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: fkw
GOOD POST!! Maybe one day PSA will actually get embarrassed by these foolish and avoidable pickle headed mistakes. What a complete joke!!! PSA sucks, and quality control does not exist in that company!!! |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: dan
If they hired a grader that knew pre-war, he wouldn't need a resource, he would know it. Errors would be a heck of alot more at PSA if cards were submitted w/o identification making the graders have to identify them. Then you would really see some laughs when those IDIOTS try to identify cards on their own. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: James Verrill
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: slacks
James: |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Mike
I am not a vintage collector, I do collect 1950-1960 cards. I sent this card (and several others) to PSA for grading and received them back last week. Within several hours of listing the card on ebay, I received several emails saying that PSA goofed. Since I was unsure as to what was happening, I emailed PSA on Monday asking them to look at the auction and let me know if there was a problem with the year of the card or the grade. I also emailed my bidders letting them no of a possible PSA error. I still have not received an answer to this email to PSA. On Tuesday of this week, I called the PSA 800 number and told them of the contoversy my auction was creating. The customer service rep took the auction number and 1-2 minutes later told me that the card was cataloged correctly and the grade was correct. Several of the emails I have received sugested I contact a Mr. Mike Baker who is evidently widely respected in the grading card industry. I talked to Mr Baker on Wed and he told me that PSA goofed. I told him that I had talked to PSA customer service and he said that I should call and talk to a Mr. Joe Orlando, president of PSA at extension 170. I left a voicemail for Joe Orlando on Wed and have received no response. Finally this morning someone notified me of this thread and I have seen jpeg images of the cards in question which have confirmed to my satisfaction that PSA goofed. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: runscott
1. As you pointed out, Customer Service. It is generally excellent with SGC, although admittedly I received no response to my email complaining about slow delivery times, and their sending my "La Mallorquina" back with the simple note "SGC does not grade Mallorquinas" was a bit disappointing (but I did get a refund voucher). |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: Lee Behrens
I talked to Scott the other day about my submition and let him know that the biggest concern this board has with SGC is there slow service. He informed me that most of the problem lies in getting the parts for the holders from there supplies. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: petecld
I've had "issues" with SGC delivery in the past but I'm happy to say I received my last submission yesterday - right on time. |
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PSA is an embarrassment to pre-war grading!
Posted By: dan
Hi Mike and thanks for writing! PSA confirmed it because they do not know what it is! This is a perfect example, a 1950s 60s collector like yourself comes across an older card. You mail it in to the "EXPERTS" for a grade and IDENTIFICATION. The problem is that you are expecting correct identification from people who know less about pre-war cards than my 6 year old daughter! This has been my argument all along. They do not hire knowlegable people in the fields they are grading in. Yes the shiny trash and the vintage 50s and 60s cards they can ID and grade. The old stuff, forget it. The rating scale in this thread above is perfect! Dan. |
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