E102 Cobb

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Posted By: Derek 

What is one of these worth in Poor shape? Mine is centered 70-30 all around Perfect color, with a bottom left corner crease and a slight tear that only looks like a crease. Its Poor but a very nice looking card, no durt or anything, with perfect gloss.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

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Posted By: shammus

Here's one that I have...these are kind of tough to find in anything above a 10. Lower grade cards that have been slabbed aren't easy to put a price tag on. My dad always said "A card is only worth what someone else will pay for it." I had a reputable collector offer me $2500 for this card once if that holds any meaning for you.

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Posted By: runscott

I would have to guess they are worth exactly $675

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Posted By: petecld

$2,500 for an SGC 20????

You should have taken the money and ran like he**.

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Posted By: Wesley

$2500 for an SGC 20 is insane. You should have sold yours and bought three other SGC 20 E102 Cobbs.

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Posted By: botn

$500 to $700 depending on the presentation of the card.

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Posted By: Cy

I think I saw a "nice" SGC 10 on ebay. I'm not sure if it is still there. If I remember correctly, for a poor graded card, it looked rather nice.

Cy

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

You are right there was a nice looking SGC 10 on ebay. At the same time there was a 1.5 GAI that looked awful. The GAI is still there it should be a .5

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Posted By: shammus

The $2500 offer was still on the table the last time I checked. However, this card was at the top of my list for an extremely long time and I'm just very hesitant to part with it. I would much rather work out a trade to be quite honest. I'd rather take a hit to the wallet than lose a nice piece out of my collection.

I think the SGC 10 that has been on Ebay's recently was runscott's going for $675. I noticed that the auction ended early...did someone purchase the card?

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Posted By: petecld

Assuming the offer is genuine: For the love of any God or all of the Gods of your choosing TAKE THE $2,500.00!!! Don't walk to the bank, RUN to the bank! And be sure to have a HUGE smile on your face. E102 Cobbs aren't so rare that a fair condition example isn't replaceable.

You want to wait for a trade? Why? What could you possibly want in trade that you can't buy with 2,500 american dollars. I have an E102 Cobb in an SGC 40 holder and I would be tempted to let it go for $2,500. (it's not for sale.)

SELL IT!!!

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Posted By: shammus

Pete, that's a convincing argument that you make and I'm appreciative that others like yourself are even showing an interest in my collection. I guess my thing is, the money really doesn't matter to me when compared to a card that I really, really want. That's why I haven't sold the card. The Cobb was on the top of my want list for so long that when I finally found one that wasn't trashed, I jumped on it...regardless of price. That's why I say that I would rather have a thin wallet and a better collection, than to lose a meaningful item without receiving something equally as rare in return. I think all collector's have cards they feel this way about. Pete, I'm thinking you are the same way. Tell me, what amount of money would it take to pry that E107 Young away from you? (sweet card by the way). Chances are, unless its just an unGodly sum, there probably isn't a dollar figure. $2500 is a huge chuck of money for a piece of cardboard, but in the grand scheme of life, $2500 really isn't that much.

As for trading, there are a few cards I would enjoy having in my collection as much as this Cobb, but the reality of it is, those cards aren't available to me, nor have I ever seen them available anywhere at any price (E107 Mathewson for example). This E102 Cobb is the only one that isn't totally trashed that I've seen for sale/up for auction. Yes, I realize that I could go out and buy 2-3 really nice cards for $2500. But would any of them hold the same value to me as the cobb does now? Probably not....the cards I would buy with the money aren't available to begin with.

Another point is that I'm still in the phase of the hobby where I'm trying to build a collection up. Right now I've got a short list of cards I'd really like to acquire and then perhaps build my Vintage collection around those as well as the cards I already have. I believe that for my collection to ever have any merit, it's going to need to contain a few cards that I can look at and say "Wow, its really cool that I have this...." The Cobb is one of those cards and generally speaking, it means to me what your E107 Young means to you.

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Posted By: Wesley

There is a world of difference between the E107 Young and the E102 Cobb. First did you see the scan of the Young card? There are only a few of those cards in any condition, and in such nice condition, the card is virtually impossible to replace.

That is not the case with the E102 Cobb in Fair condition. Your card is very nice, but you can easily replace it with another Fair condition E102 Cobb for no more than $850.

I respect your attitude about cards vs. money but still do not completely understand. Surely, if someone traded you a nearly identical E102 Cobb in Fair condition, in addition to handing you a check for $1650, you would have no objection. If the offer is genuine, that is essentially what that dealer is doing. If you sell the Cobb you will have no problem replacing it with a similar or superior copy in the next three months.

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Posted By: jay behrens

I can totally understand where he is coming from. When I decided to sell off my collection, I put the e92 Nadja Oakes up along with everything else, but with a reserve. After the auction being up a few days, I came to realize that even if it did meet my reserve, I was going to be very unhappy selling the card. After I closed the auction, I got an offer that was 50% higher than my reserve and still turned it down. Sometimes, I kick myself, but all I have to do is look at that card and realize that I did the right thing.

Sometimes, there are things in your collection that are worth more than money, no matter how much that money is.

Jay

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Posted By: quan

what pete and wes are saying is THE CARD CAN BE REPLACED for alot less than the $2500 someone else is offering! I wouldn't call someone stupid for not calling the person on the offer, but he must loooooooove that card alot...oh well.

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Posted By: shammus

Ahhh, more good points...I figured someone would compare the two cards. The E107 Young is a totally sweet card no arguments there. You have to keep in mind that Pete and I are at two different stages of Vintage card collecting. I'm operating with perhaps a year's worth of experience. Will the Cobb mean as much to me in 5 years or when I have enough experience in the hobby to where I'm at the point Pete is now? Maybe not, because my collection will (hopefully) be vastly improved by then; but maybe so, because this card is the first vintage card that I can say I've acquired that is actually expensive, rare and sought after. My first significant acquisition in other words....that sentiment alone will keep the card in a high place in my collection for some time to come. My point is that while I wasn't trying to compare the two cards, I was comparing the sentiment that each card means to its respective owner. When I have been in the hobby a while, I hope to have cards that are vitually irreplaceable as well, but for where I am right now, the Cobb is a nice one for me to own.

I will agree with you on one point. It would be much easier to part with the Cobb if I had a replacement lined up (depending on whether or not I could get over the fact that its my first big acquisition). Granted, I haven't been scouring all of the possible avenues out there for acquiring cards, but from what I've seen, the other E102 Cobbs floating around out there on Ebay and other places aren't nearly as nice as this one despite the fact mines only a 20. But sentiment aside, I'll agree with that last statement, it would be easier if I had a suitable replacement lined up and I'll trust you if you say they're out there.

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Posted By: jay behrens

quan, I understand that. And I could also easily replace the Oakes with offer I got. The question is, could I get another one just as nice? maybe, but it might take a long time. The card is one of the best looking cards ever made and crease or stain would detract from that beauty.

I learned from selling off my collection the first time that there really are items in your collection that mean more than money and there are several items I really regret selling the first time around.

Jay

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Posted By: Jeff M.

I am posting this because as mentioned in another post about people not posting because they know others out there have more information on certain subjects. I know others here will have better information on numbers that have been for sale of the Cobb. I have been working on this set for a while and will say that you do see the Cobb offered for sale on occasion on ebay. Every time it is low grade, I wanted the one that you won, the SGC 20. I thought at that time I may not see another come along in better shape that I would be able to afford. But I went against all of my best judgment and bid on one on ebay awhile back that had no picture in the listing that had a Buy it now. Before I sent payment the seller sent me a scan of the card. After my check had cleared the bank and after being told it was sent 2 times and after over 5 weeks or waiting I finally got it. (much to my relief and the wife's from hearing me bitch) The seller had tried to get me to back out of the deal because he had been offered $2000.00 for it after I ended the auction. He said he would compensate me if I would let it go and he could sell it to them. The $2500.00 would be nice to have it is a lot for the card. But looking at the prices some cards have been getting lately I wonder how much you would be able to improve on the card if you had the money and if you could even find one for sale in better condition. You still have a nice card if you keep it.Here is the one I got if the picture will load. Jeff

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Posted By: Jeff M.

I cant get the picture loaded even after reading the "How to post a scan" thread. If someone would like to post it let me know and I will send it. Thanks, Jeff

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Posted By: Ben

send the scan my way I'll post it for you- fisherboy7@hotmail.com

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Posted By: shammus

Jeff, that does sound like a gamble. So you were happy with the card you were sent? (I haven't seen its scan yet...) If you guys are still having trouble with posting the image, it could be because the file size is too large. I had to cut the size of that Cobb down before I could upload it. I have Photoshop here, let me know if you need the image touched up and I can take care of it. My email is redmaccie@hotmail.com.

By the way, you're going after the E102 set? Tough choice, I hear that the Dots Miller Fielding card is insanely rare: on the level of the t206 Wagner. Do you have that one yet?

My Cobb was an interesting auction. The final price jumped over $1000 in the final minute alone from several people sniping so I know there was a lot of interest in it, plus I've received a couple requests to sell the card since then. I know I may be wrong on this, but I'm not convinced that this card, even at a 20 would be easy to replace.

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Posted By: Jeff M.

Hi Red,
Yes I am happy with the Cobb I got, Ben is going to post the scans. I don't have the Miller yet. I have heard that there are about 70-80 of the t-206 Wagner. From what I know I dont think that there are that many Miller's known yet. I would have to say that the Wagner fielding and maybe even a couple of others in this set are probably more rare than the t-206 Wagner. In Lipset's book at it's printing in 1984 it wasn't even known of at that time (Wagner fielding). In my opinion the set falls into 3 catagories the one's you see often, the one's you see seldom and then there are a few that are very tough. The very tough one's may all be rare but I can't say for sure.
Jeff

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Posted By: shammus

Yes, I've heard those things as well. The Wagner Fielding and Miller card are the reasons why I was steering away from this set despite having the Cobb. The guy that offered to buy the Cobb from me is actually two cards away from completing the set. The Cobb being one, hence the lucrative offer, the other is the Miller fielding. But yeah, not the set to be trying for if you're still relatively new to the hobby.

Derek, this was a great thread, that you for posting this topic originally. I hope somewhere in there we answered your question. I'm thinking that a poor E102 Cobb (not too hammered though) would go from around $600-$800 however cards that are in "semi-demand" such as this one have a potential to be higher depending on the people that you run into when you're trying to sell it. Based on my experiences, and what I've read from others in this thread, there are some people out there looking for a nicer low-grade variant of the Cobb which could set the bar well above the $800 range even.

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Posted By: shammus

Jeff and Ben,

Got the card up....sometimes it just requires a smaller file size. I reduced its filesize by changing it from a .jpg to a .gif, as well as shrinking the dimensions. Nice card by the way....any plans on getting it graded?

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Posted By: Anonymous

Hi Red,
Thanks for posting the scan of the card. I think Toni is going to have a field day for his web page with all of the great cards being posted these last couple of days. Yes I will probably send the card to be graded by SGC, I have most of my set on there registry but have a few others to send in as well. Do you know who the collector was who only needed 2 cards to complete his set? Jeff