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the definition of rarity
Posted By: leon
The definition of rarity in cards is often over used. My fellow collectors allow myself to introduce......... myself ... and, what I believe to be, one of, if not "the", rarest ACC catalogued set. This is 1 of two known cards from it..the other is a xerox picture of Bigbee (the xerox did have to come from somewhere though)......... ....The T231 Fans Cigarettes- Baker......it is a legit card my friends and a welcome addition to the household........regards all |
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Posted By: Jeff Obermeyer
Nice card, Leon! I've been interested in this "set" for a long time. I was fascinated by the idea that the whole set consisted of one card (Carson Bigbee) for a long time, and that was only known as a photocopy. The appearance of the Baker 10 or so years ago was a stunner for me, but was very "ho, hum" in the hobby press. I believe that Lipset auctioned the Baker once, and I remember feeling that it was undervalued given it's obvious rarity (one of a kind). |
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings
Webster says: |
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Posted By: Elliot
It really looks similiar to the Wm. Patterson (V145-1) hockey cards, including the numbering. These cards are of about the same vintage (1923-24). I wonder if the same printer did them up. |
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Posted By: leon
That's what I thought to myself too...I am still kicking myself for being the underbidder on the Recius (sp?) Wagner card....and that was a few years ago ...This card wasn't cheap but I didn't think I would get another chance at one, at least for a long time, if ever..........regards all.... |
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Posted By: leon
What I meant in response to Kevin was that it was a "nice" grab.....not that "I have one and no one else does"......who cares....it's friggin' cardboard.... albeit expensive cardboard....later |
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Posted By: halleygator
You have to give me a chance to get all my money back... |
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Posted By: warshawlaw
Anyone who gets away with spending on cards like you do (1) isn't really married or(2) is obviously a money launderer for the mob. I'l explain my logic. My wife rolls her eyes when I spend $110 on a card; yours lets you get away with multiple $1000's? No way, unless she doesn't know about the $$ to begin with. But, since they all know, somehow (mine can smell it on me, I think), about any legit money we make, your card funds have to be cash and have to be illicit to slip below the radar. Since you're too mellow for a drug dealer and you're not a politician, has to be money laundering for the mob. Fess up, buddy. Confession is good for the soul. |
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Posted By: leon
Elliot- they could be related to a hockey set, I am not sure. It has the same "look" as some of the early 20's era card sets I have seen ie...Yeungling, Sweetman etc....except on thinner stock. I am not too familiar with hockey sets so can't say about it in comparison to the one(s) you mentioned. |
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Posted By: Art M.
"Jeff Obermeyer wrote - I believe that Lipset auctioned the Baker once.." |
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Posted By: halleygator
Leon told me that he bought the card from Lew Lipsett... |
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Posted By: leon
It did come from Lew. I bought it in a normal sale. I know it was bought by him from Christies's about 11-12 years ago. Christie's had sold it to a good customer for somewhere around 15k-16k and the customer returned it for a refund, I presume. Lew then bought it for about $1600 or so. I recall seeing several stories about the card and the legitmacy of it. As far as any legitimacy is concerned I would be interested in hearing any other story. I have looked it over pretty good and can not find anything to make me think it is not a card. It certainly has me fooled if it is not one......I welcome any comments on what others know......best regards |
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Posted By: leon
One last thing that I know is that this card did get auctioned a few auctions ago by Lew. I followed that auction. I was told it sold and the person never paid. Quite honestly I don't care if it sold, if it didn't sell (obviously), if there was ever a bidder or not (I was told he renegged), or what happened......as long as the card is real I am fine with it..and I will say I paid a lot more than it was bought for originally...but all cards have taken off since then and the relative price I paid for this was no more out of whack than if you would have bought a Cobb-E94, 11 years ago, for $50.00......and again, it passes my novice judgement as being a card.........regards all |
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Posted By: Mike Williams
Enjoy it! |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
It looks so much like a Patterson. |
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Posted By: Hankron
My personal recommendation is that you, Leon, put a penny or nickel on top of your rarities when you scan them for this board. Otherwise, you might find them being offered soonafter on eBay or Yahoo. |
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Posted By: runscott
There are plenty of web-sites out there (loc, mine and Hal's for instance, but many,many more) where you can find as many card and other images as you desire, so I doubt the scammers will be taking low-grade images from our chat board. |
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Posted By: Hankron
I agree with you Scott. I just thought that Leon might like to have control of of the use of his cards-- many of which are one of a kind. Irrelevant to being listed in auctions, some people might borrow Leon's images for website galleries or such ... It's Leon's choice one way or the other. It may be that Leon is flattered if his card is reprinted on various websites, and feels that this enhances the value-- free publicity. On the other hand, as he already saw his Four Base Hits Kelly offered on eBay once, he may not find this desirable. |
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Posted By: runscott
I've had a few people ask if they could use my images, which I always say "yes" to, but I've had others "borrow" them as well - doesn't bother me though. |
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Posted By: Bob Lemke
if you'd like to have your Baker become the "plate" card for the Standard Catalog (beginning with the 2005-dated book), replacing the tired Bigbee. I'd also welcome your thoughts on current "catalog" value. |
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Posted By: leonl
You are welcome to use the Baker card as a plate for the 2005 catalogue if you wish. If the value stayed the same as 2003 you would be a little low but still in the ballpark.....maybe I am the only one willing to pay gazillions for it so maybe it's high....but I don't think so...You have my email so if you can not use the image from this thread let me know, shoot me an email at work or home, and I will get you a better one....... however, besides it being a first generation scan I don't think it will be much better... |
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Posted By: Hankron
... Scott, would you kindly ask Leon to pass the jam, as I am not talk to him ... |
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