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Posted By: TBob
Last night I purchased a very difficult tobacco card on ebay from a regional set by offering the seller what I felt was a fair price, especially based on the condition of the card and back writing. No sooner had he ended the auction early, very satisfied with the sum, then he started getting emails telling him that he was going to be thrown off ebay for ending the auction early, that it was a violation of ebay rules and he would be reported to safe harbor. We all know what a crock of horse manure that is, sellers end auctions early all the time. I have benefited from it in the past and been crushed by it before, but I never stooped so low as to threaten a seller who did it. It worked, the card is back on ebay. I sincerely hope no one on this board was involved, but believe me, I'll find out. I also hope he took my advice and added those names to his blocked bidders list, but he probably won't. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: TBob
Although mislabeled as a 1911 Obak, it was a 1910 Obak Series 150 card. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Steve Tuttle
To play devil's advocate, I'd be pretty unhappy if I was thinking about bidding on that card and the seller closed it early. Aren't sellers obligated to finish out the announced time frame--if not legally then at least morally? There are a lot of reasons I might not bid on a card right away and if the seller announced the sale would be over on a given day, I'd expect him to hold to that. I'd complain too if it was closed early. Though for the record I didn't bid on this one. |
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Posted By: Mike Ward
Seeing the number of threads with the "I'm gonna get them" theme, it wouldn't surprise me if it was one of your own. I think there are too many threads about reprints & corrupt sellers, excessive postage, shill bidding, etc. which cuts into productive and interesting dialog here. Now don't say I'm condoning any of the above, it's just that interest in this site wanes when the first three threads are on contacting e-bay, fake cards, & cut-out scraps. It's getting old. We get the point, ebay is loaded with dirt-balls and that doesn't look like it's going to end any time soon. Especially given the number of times Board members have already contacted ebay. Let's get back to collecting. |
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Posted By: Mrc32
I have to disagree with your whole premise and think it is down right wrong for a seller to end an auction early. |
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Posted By: TBob
The seller does not contract with ebay to sell an item. This is obvious from the fact that ebay holds itself apart as having no part in any agreement to sell or buy an item on ebay. The only thing the seller does is "rent space" on ebay's webpages to display an item for sale and agree to abide by the terms of ebay's conditions. The only contract occurs when a buyer bids on an item for sale on ebay and is the highest bidder and the reserve (if any) is met. Then there is a contract between buyer and seller. The OTHER way a contract is created is if a prospective bidder/buyer makes an offer to a seller and the seller agrees to accept that tendered offer. THAT is also a contract. I could have held the seller to the contract, but didn't. |
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Posted By: TBob
It is unethical in my view to send an offer to a seller in hopes that you can get an item for a cheaper price than what the market may bear(the whole time hoping that the seller is to dumb to realize what the true value is).> |
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Posted By: Mrc32
Your right I don't know you. And I don't know your history. |
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Posted By: Mrc32
One more thing-- how do these two things jive? |
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Posted By: TBob
what I can't take is people who don't know me judging me, my motives and my actions. |
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Posted By: Mrc32
I'm not looking to flame you. I just disagree with your point about it being ok to end auctions early. You are the one that started flaming.... |
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Posted By: Jeff O
...another thread that I didn't want to post on, but feel compelled to as a "regular". |
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Posted By: Mrc32
<<If you are condemning buyers for trying to end auctions early and calling them unethical, you are condemning 95% of the collectors who post here. I think you are lucky most of the regular posters here are in Atlantic City and can't see your posts. >> |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Dan Mckee
Hi Bob, You are the best, I enjoy knowing you and dealing with you. I know EXACTLY how you feel! I have had that happen to me! Now I do what someone did to you and only ask them to consider putting it back up. I have never threatened anyone like your guy did though it is against ebat policy to shut down an auction and sell offline to someone that contacted the seller through ebay or saw the item on ebay. It is only against ebay policy because ebay gets cut out of the fees, period. So I am sorry to hear you missed out and it has happened to me before and by a board memeber who I will not mention mainly because I see both sides. I do not collect Obaks but I think I have a few in my type set that you may need so if you email me, I will check and just swap you for 1 of your doubles if you need mine. Dan. |
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Posted By: leon
I have had auctions ended for me early before. Do I agree with it? No. I have never ended an auction early, that I remember, but if no bids were on it I would probably do it. The only reason I even ask sellers to do it is it has happened to me numerous times and I got tired of getting beat to the punch. It happened to me about a week ago...saw a card I was going to snipe heavy on....then, with numerous bids and the reserve met, the seller ( a valued board member) closed the auction early.......that sucked......later |
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Posted By: Hankron
From a purely selfish standpoint, it's not good business for the seller to end auctions early if they have bids (valid to end if no one has bothered to bid). If a seller ends early one too many bid upon auctions, potential bidders are going to start saying "It's not worth the trouble." This is the last thing a seller wants. |
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Posted By: runscott
But as a buyer, I have asked sellers to give me a price and add a BIN; makes it a contract, keeps things okay with ebay, and keeps the seller from changing his/her mind when they get better offers or threats from the disappointed competition. |
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Posted By: Dan Mckee
You have never ended an auction early? As a seller maybe but you have closed them down early, George C Miller tin. Take care. Dan |
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Posted By: leon
Reading 101....it's a great thing.....how bout reading my first line in my post.......take care |
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Posted By: DAN
ok, here we go! big FIGHT, big FIGHT! haha!, ok what can I say, I continue to display my superior intellect over the board members! |
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Posted By: BcD
You are on the computer too much! |
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