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Posted By: benge610
I think that had Mastro not pulled the item, upon receipt of new evidence, the tone of the Gallagher article would be dead on. How many times do we see on eBay similar circumstances and the seller proceeds "full steam ahead". Mistakes can happen to anyone, and to me it is just as important what you do about it after it is realized or shown to you. Funny..... I didn't interpret the Mastro response as "terse", just a proper business response to a business question. Upon digesting the whole topic, I do agree that the article seems slanted by a writer who possibly isn't heavily experienced in the sports memorabilia auction market. While I don't think Mastro should necessarily be praised in this matter, doing the right thing in the end (in my opinion) tends to uphold their credibility/reputation. Just my rambling opinion. |
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Posted By: Jay Miller
I disagree. I think this is really bad as it brings into question the Mastro authentication process. If they can't get it right on something as recent as this how can you trust the process on something decades old? |
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Posted By: David
It seems to me that the only way we can decide who is correct-- MastroNet versus the article's author-- is if one of us finds pictures or video of the April 2nd Oakland Versus Seattle game and sees which brand of bat Ichiro was using, Mizuno of Lousville Slugger. As this was a big game, I would assume there are many pictures available. |
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Posted By: Bruce Moreland
Mastro admits the bat was bogus. I agree with another response, which says that the tone of the article would have been correct if Mastro hadn't pulled the bat. |
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Posted By: David
If MastroNet admits it was a mistake and pulled the bat from the auction, I am satisfied. Making a mistake once in a while shouldn't be an issue, as we all make mistakes. The issue isn't whether or not we make mistakes, but how we deal with them when they arrise. |
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Posted By: petecld
Mastro has made a big feature of their authentication process ecpecially in regard to baseball bats. If I am remembering correctly Mastronet even put out a book on bat authentication. They should have known this was fake. |
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Posted By: Elliot
Here's an article that I thought people might find interesting (although, not vintage). I don't think the writer treated MastroNet fairly. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
I'd be surprised if he would knowlingly put forward a fake bat for only $7,500.Julie |
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Posted By: MW
Oh please, please, please send me your next auction catalog. Just show me your butt and point out the spot you want me to kiss |
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Posted By: MW
And to think I had any doubts about Babe Ruth/Lou Gehrig/Ty Cobb signed memorabilia and any other game-used bats or equipment. By the way, is there now going to be a supplement (or disclaimer) to the Mastro game-used bat price guide? Well, at least if I obtain three experts’ opinions regarding a Bob Feller signed baseball, I’ll still feel pretty secure about its authenticity. |
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Posted By: petecld
I DO . . . |
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Posted By: David
I would still like to see a picture(s) of the April 2nd game. If Ichiro used a Mizuno bat, I would be the first to say they made a bonehead, embarassing mistake. |
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Posted By: MW
Here's the link to the original Mastro FSA auction listing for the Ichiro "opening night" bat: |
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Posted By: Bruce Moreland
Do you think they have a tape of the game handy? I don't. This was lot 1038 out of 2355. I can believe that they can authenticate the sigs, and they almost certainly went that far. I think that with regard to provenance they probably dealt with someone that they've dealt with before, and they believed the guy. |
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Posted By: MW
<< ...and I particularly don't understand MW's comments about kissing anatomy parts. >> |
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Posted By: David
It's cold in Wisconsin, and you have to keep your lips warm somehow. |
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Posted By: MW
Fingers, not lips |
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Posted By: runscott
But it's interesting since it's yet another area I don't know much about (how auction houses verify authenticity). Also, I disagree with you in that I don't think it's too much to check the video (or to go to the trouble to locate it) - most of the items don't require that much work to authenticate, but a signed one-of-a-kind bat does and the pay-off stands to be VERY high, so the extra effort should be made (in my opinion). |
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Posted By: benge610
I do.. |
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Posted By: runscott
how does Mastro explain the mistake? What procedures did these three authenticators use to decide the bat was really used in Ichiro's first two at bats? Before I signed a letter authenticating something like this, I would have my ducks lined up - the obvious starting point would be reviewing a tape of the at bats. Somethings's a little weird here. |
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Posted By: David
Michael, I went to the UW, so more than once I froze my patootie walking along Lake Mendota. |
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Posted By: Charlie
I'd like for someone from Mastro to explain what happened right here. No doubt at least somebody is reading the comments posted. |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
Amen! |
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Posted By: David
Hello, last night someone at MastroNet contacted me and explained the situtation. He said that Ichiro used a Mizuno bat during the game. He freely admited that they made a dumb mistake that they learned from. MastroNet was forthcoming, at least to me, and I accept their explanation. I understand and accept that others may interpret things differently than I, but I am not stressed by the situation. |
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Posted By: MW
Objective: Authentication of Ichiro’s first game bat. |
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Posted By: MW
Mike -- |
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Posted By: leon
Mastonet had deadlines to meet and put the bat into the catalogue on someone else's word. They had corroborating provenance but it was the wrong evidence. When they got the video of the game it was too late and what was done was done. They immediately pulled the bat from the bidding. They have learned from their mistake. I think we should get over it unless there is someone here that has not made a mistake. Yes, they are experts and should not have made this mistake. They did. How many hundreds of cards are there encapsulated by the major graders that are tainted? To me it is the same as sending a card in. Who do you trust the most? I still stand behind the Mastro guys. Since I do not collect memorabilia I don't have to worry about COA's and LOA's anyway........best regards all |
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Posted By: MW
Leon – |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
the process of signing in, let alone registering, drives me bats, so I don't blame him for phoning. |
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Posted By: leon
Hey MW, |
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Posted By: Mike Williams
Since you asked, here's my take: Mistakes happen! They happen at MastroNet, SGC, PSA and if I'm a betting man....to everyone in this hobby at one time or another. |
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Posted By: MW
Leon, |
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Posted By: MW
Mike, |
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Posted By: Plastic Dog
then again, my Kanji changed over time in Japan as Geisha girls continually hounded me to autograph their shirts while I tipped back Sapporos and ate rice noodles while riding in my private sleeping car aboard a luxury bullet train and later while skiing on the northern island of Hokaido on my private mountain while listening to a CD of cool jazz. |
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Posted By: MW
GO CUBS! |
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Posted By: Elliot
Although there does appear to be a significant difference. BTW stop agreeing with Pete--I don't want the Cubs to win the world series. |
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Posted By: vorthian
<< This isn’t just about the Ichiro bat. If Mastro Fine Sports Auctions is not willing to do some basic work to properly authenticate a bat from this last baseball season -- one that could have potentially sold for $25,000 to $50,000 -- then what have they been doing with all of their other auction lots? There appears to be a flawed methodology here. If they’re out in left field on the authentication of newer stuff, is there reason to believe that they’re anywhere in the ballpark on some of the much more involved and more complex vintage material???? >> |
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Posted By: Julie Vognar
even to someone who rarely collects autographs--the one on the bat is sooo different. |
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Posted By: petecld
What?. . . . . Why?. . . . . Don't say that. |
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