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11-05-2025, 03:13 PM
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HOFers without a Topps RC
I suppose since Bowman was owned by Topps it's not that big a deal not to have a Topps RC per sel, but still, several players here (plus Clemens) are without a Topps OR Bowman RC. Those are now highlighted as my message wasn't well worded before.
Puckett McGriff Edgar Martinez Smoltz Biggio Thome Mussina Pedro Martinez Rivera Hoffman Piazza Guerrero Rolen Beltre Halladay Ortiz
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11-05-2025, 04:09 PM
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Both Puckett and Clemens do have an '84 Fleer Update card, but no Topps until the next season. Clemens debut was May 15 1984 and he started 20 games and threw 133 innings. Puckett was even earlier, May 8 1984 and had 583 plate appearances.
Other 1984 rookies who *did* make the '84 Topps Traded set, along with their MLB debut: Saberhagen - April 4 Jose Rijo - April 5 Gubicza April 6 Jimmy Key - April 6 Gooden - April 7 Mark Langston - April 7 Alvin Davis - April 11 All debuted a month earlier than Clemens and Puckett. Was timing an issue? Also notable, Eric Davis debuted May 19, 1984 and would have 200 PA's in 1984, but no '84 TT card. Hershiser actually debuted in September '83 and pitched the entire '84 season, but no Topps card until '85. Side note - Severely off topic but why the HECK doesn't Maddux have an '88 Score card!!!???!!!
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11-05-2025, 04:52 PM
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Why is Griffey's 89 Donruss Baseballl Best considered a RC but Sosa's isn't?
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11-05-2025, 04:54 PM
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And I should mention Schilling who has only 89 Donruss. And Belle who has only a couple of non-Topps/Bowman RCs in 89.
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11-05-2025, 06:30 PM
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How the hell did Topps miss Clemens AND Puckett in ‘84??
Outside of McGwire Olympic in ‘98, the Gooden ‘84 cards at their peak were probably the hottest of my first go-round in the hobby. He was Jordan … for like 18 months. I got this Tiffany, got it signed, and slabbed for around $70 total a couple years ago — probably a $750 item in 1985.
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11-06-2025, 04:51 AM
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Billy Wagner does have a Topps Rc
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11-06-2025, 08:33 AM
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Smotlz has a 1989 Topps RC Biggio has a 1989 Topps RC Thome has a 1991 Bowman RC Rivera has a 1992 Bowman RC Hoffman has a 1992 Bowman RC Wagner has a 1994 Topps RC Guerrero has a 1995 Bowman RC Rolen has a 1995 Bowman RC Prior to 1989, the update/traded sets that were not distributed in packs, but in box set form were not considered RC, but were considered XRC. Last edited by OhioLawyerF5; 11-06-2025 at 08:34 AM.
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11-06-2025, 08:43 AM
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Peter Stipulated the Bowman history. He was talking about Topps Flagship only
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11-06-2025, 10:01 AM
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I would say Barry Larkin.
Probably controversial to someone but I consider the 1986 Sportflics as the true rc.
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11-06-2025, 10:11 AM
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11-06-2025, 12:20 PM
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11-06-2025, 01:30 PM
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The post was not worded well. It was originally intended just to list players without a Topps flagship RC, as Rich said. I then noted that that might not mean all that much since Topps owned Bowman, but also noted that some players (now highlighted) don't have EITHER a Topps or Bowman RC (leaving aside the XRC nonsense).
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 I personally consider the first distributed (in any available pack or set) in uniform card of any player as their rookie and would only use xrc for first minor league cards. Personal collecting tastes. I also ignore draft cards in suits or internet single cards like Topps now for rookies. All personal opinion I don’t expect everyone to follow.
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11-06-2025, 10:12 AM
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Edited list to remove Wagner and to bold the players who don't IMO have Topps/Bowman RCs.
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