The Yankees Are In Full-Fledged Freefall

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

No worries Yankee fans, the trade deadline is coming up, so they can, as they do every year, just buy their way out of their mistakes. While fans of regular teams have to worry about a budget.

Baseball needs a salary cap like the other major sports.

And yes, I do admit to an irrational hatred of the Yankees.

The players union would never go for it but I would love to see baseball with a salary floor and cap.

[bk400]

I bet there are a lot of spendthrift multibillionaires who would love to own a midmarket MLB team and transform it into a juggernaut. I mean, Mark Walter is from Iowa and grew up a Cubs fan.

The fact that certain teams have stingy (but still multibillionaire) owners who choose to milk current income and clip coupons instead of either (i) splurging to build a winning franchise or (ii) selling to someone who is is unfortunate for the game.

But it's not fair to the dreamers like Steve Cohen and Mark Walter and Steinbrenner if they are penalized because Arte Moreno sucks.

[John1941]

The Yankees scored a run in the first on two singles and a groundout and three more in the second on back-to-back homers by Grisham and Goldschmidt (Grisham's following a single by LeMahieu) - what a relief - hope they are truly out of their doldrums.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by bk400

The fact that certain teams have stingy (but still multibillionaire) owners who choose to milk current income and clip coupons instead of either (i) splurging to build a winning franchise or (ii) selling to someone who is is unfortunate for the game.

Huh!? Since when is building a team the old fashioned way (as it was done in generations past) instead of splurging unfortunate for the game?

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Huh!? Since when is building a team the old fashioned way (as it was done in generations past) instead of splurging unfortunate for the game?

Some teams do absolutely nothing. Orioles let their best pitcher go, and they are paying for that.

Pirates basically have a clock on Skenes until he's traded, not if...

Twins were a division winner now they might be the 4th best there, with only Correa their biggest signing lately.

You can go on and on. Yet prices are high, where does the fan see the return?



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[John1941]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Huh!? Since when is building a team the old fashioned way (as it was done in generations past) instead of splurging unfortunate for the game?

Take the Pirates. From a USA Today article: "The Pittsburgh Pirates, according to information received by the players union and confirmed by several owners, are one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball, stashing a huge chunk of their revenue sharing monies instead of investing in their team year after year." https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/83556338007/

The Pirates' owner treats the team as a cash cow. Result: the Pirates have a 29-45 record and all of their stars like Skenes and Oneil Cruz will leave when they can because the Pirates will refuse to spend the money necessary to keep them.

How must that feel as a Pirate fan, for your owner to care only about making a profit and not about having a winning team? How is that not unfortunate for baseball?

"Building a team the old fashioned way" implies these cheap teams are trying to build a winning team. They're not.

[SyrNy1960]

Yankees win! Time to close this thread! Just kidding. It’s been a while since I’ve been excited for a win.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

Yankees win! Time to close this thread! Just kidding. It’s been a while since I’ve been excited for a win.

As the long-running comic strip of Clare Briggs said: Isn't it a grand and glorious feeling?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by John1941

Take the Pirates. From a USA Today article: "The Pittsburgh Pirates, according to information received by the players union and confirmed by several owners, are one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball, stashing a huge chunk of their revenue sharing monies instead of investing in their team year after year." https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/83556338007/

The Pirates' owner treats the team as a cash cow. Result: the Pirates have a 29-45 record and all of their stars like Skenes and Oneil Cruz will leave when they can because the Pirates will refuse to spend the money necessary to keep them.

How must that feel as a Pirate fan, for your owner to care only about making a profit and not about having a winning team? How is that not unfortunate for baseball?

"Building a team the old fashioned way" implies these cheap teams are trying to build a winning team. They're not.

That’s why a salary floor and a cap would be good. The floor helps ensure teams don’t go too cheap and the cap keeps some competitiveness to the field and makes owners and GMs at least pretend to have to be smart. Football offseason is so interesting because most competitive teams know where they are weak and the trick is finding salary to upgrade there. Teams get penalized when they whiff on an expensive free agent. They have to let that salary die off rather than just keep spending. Football is outrageously more popular than baseball and I think it’s in part because the teams operate from a relatively even playing field, until it’s an important fourth down call when the Chiefs have an unfair advantage.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by John1941

Take the Pirates. From a USA Today article: "The Pittsburgh Pirates, according to information received by the players union and confirmed by several owners, are one of the most profitable teams in all of baseball, stashing a huge chunk of their revenue sharing monies instead of investing in their team year after year." https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/83556338007/

The Pirates' owner treats the team as a cash cow. Result: the Pirates have a 29-45 record and all of their stars like Skenes and Oneil Cruz will leave when they can because the Pirates will refuse to spend the money necessary to keep them.

How must that feel as a Pirate fan, for your owner to care only about making a profit and not about having a winning team? How is that not unfortunate for baseball?

"Building a team the old fashioned way" implies these cheap teams are trying to build a winning team. They're not.

Boy do I agree with this assessment. It shouldn't be allowed to persist, year in and year out. The Pirates haven't been truly competitive since the 1990s. Neither have the Reds. Now that the Dodgers have become what the Yankees once were, why don't the haters aim their wrath toward them? Seems misplaced to waste it on the Yankees.

[frankbmd]

James,

I'll aim my wrath anywhere you want. I'm not in sync with buying championships (NY and LA in baseball) (Lakers in basketball) (the Bears in football - just kidding) and there are others.

I almost always am rooting for (but not betting on) the underdog probably 90% of the time in games I watch. The Packers whose stadium holds more folks than live in the town of Green Bay are special for me though and yes I own 1 of 5 the jillion shares of their stock. For over 100 years they have always been my team. They represent the other 10% when they are favored.

Level playing fields confuse me. Rooting for a tie just doesn't seem right.

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Boy do I agree with this assessment. It shouldn't be allowed to persist, year in and year out. The Pirates haven't been truly competitive since the 1990s. Neither have the Reds. Now that the Dodgers have become what the Yankees once were, why don't the haters aim their wrath toward them? Seems misplaced to waste it on the Yankees.

Hatred of the Yankees is never misplaced!

I think the Tigers are going to see the Yanks this October, and I can't wait for Skubal to beat them twice and help send them home....again.

Of course a year later Skubal will sign with them for 2 billion dollars.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Hatred of the Yankees is never misplaced!

Truth! But the Los Angeles Dodgers (whom I've never liked) have been tapping a fresh well of my ire in recent years.