Juan Soto -- looking like a bust for the Mets

[Peter_Spaeth]

I dunno, if I'm pitching, I'm not worried so much about not walking Soto as I am about making sure he doesn't hit me, in which case I am not going to pitch him any differently just because Judge is on deck.

[D. Bergin]

I think it was a pretty symbiotic hitting relationship that Judge and Soto had. Judge helped Soto and Soto helped Judge.

Neither was exactly a parasite.

Two guys with .400+ OBP hitting next to each other, are only going to help each other.

As far as Goldschmidt and Grisham. Goldschmidt knowing how to hit a baseball isn't news, and Grisham moved up in the lineup AFTER he started to produce at the bottom of the lineup, and has rarely been in the vicinity of Judge's at bats.

[bk400]

https://www.si.com/mlb/juan-soto-did...raight-pitches

Soto last night. Generational attitude.

[bk400]

I also think that this "generational" label is being batted around too casually. Soto has had a great career so far, but generational?

In my mind, this generation's only generational players are as follows:

Pujols
Trout
Judge
Ohtani
Kershaw
Verlander
Ichiro

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

I also think that this "generational" label is being batted around too casually. Soto has had a great career so far, but generational?

In my mind, this generation's only generational players are as follows:

Pujols
Trout
Judge
Ohtani
Kershaw
Verlander
Ichiro

I wouldn't put Ichiro on that list, myself. I think the idea on Soto is that he is a generational talent, not that he has achieved enough yet.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Since it's a card forum, here are my Sotos which are sinking like the Titanic lol.

[sbfinley]

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Since it's a card forum, here are my Sotos which are sinking like the Titanic lol.

I see your Sotos (nice, btw), and I raise you a Strawberry. The glory days in right field at Shea!

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wouldn't put Ichiro on that list, myself. I think the idea on Soto is that he is a generational talent, not that he has achieved enough yet.

I see the challenge on Ichiro, but the guy had 10 consecutive years of 200 base hits, which beats the next guy (Wade Boggs at 7 consecutive) by a lot. The only other guy with 10 seasons (non-consecutive) of 200 base hits is Pete Rose. So Ichiro, who came over without the benefit of his early prime years, has a case for being the best contact hitter of two generations of players. Him, Tony Gwynn, and Wade Boggs.

As for the distinction between a generational talent and a generational player, I'll just say that Dwight Gooden was a generational talent and Hank Aaron wasn't. But one was a generational player, while the other wasn't. For me, the generational talent label is a bit meaningless.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

I see the challenge on Ichiro, but the guy had 10 consecutive years of 200 base hits, which beats the next guy (Wade Boggs at 7 consecutive) by a lot. The only other guy with 10 seasons (non-consecutive) of 200 base hits is Pete Rose. So Ichiro, who came over without the benefit of his early prime years, has a case for being the best contact hitter of two generations of players. Him, Tony Gwynn, and Wade Boggs.

As for the distinction between a generational talent and a generational player, I'll just say that Dwight Gooden was a generational talent and Hank Aaron wasn't. But one was a generational player, while the other wasn't. For me, the generational talent label is a bit meaningless.

It's meaningful until a player has proven he can't live up to it. IMO Soto is not there yet, not even close. Although he may never get another hit at this rate lol.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by bk400

I also think that this "generational" label is being batted around too casually. Soto has had a great career so far, but generational?

If getting on base is a talent, Soto is a generational talent. No one else in this generation (and very few in history) can beat him in taking walks and getting on base (with the possible exception of Judge, but Judge is a very different kind of hitter.)

[Peter_Spaeth]

2 hits, 2 RBI. He's back!!!!

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

2 hits, 2 RBI. He's back!!!!

That's right!! He's back! And anyone who thought Juan Soto was a bum, is a bum.

[Balticfox]

It's not just Juan Soto though. The Mets are now trying to be like the Yankees and win with their payroll instead of playing good fundamental baseball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOwxfFjVDYE

The Mets should go back to being the anti-Yankees and offer New York baseball fans an alternative instead of an echo.

[Peter_Spaeth]

He went 2-4 last night. Maybe he's coming out of it. Besides, what player in history (other than maybe Hank Aaron) has not gone through a slump? It's baseball.

A HR and a walk today. Oh ye of no faith.