Eddie Cicotte's HOF chances - should he get in? Will he?

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by gregndodgers

There are 27 pitchers who are in the HOF rated below him in terms of JAWS, so yea his chances are low. LoL

Alright, fine, you can vote for him. But first you have to vote for Roger Clemens, Jim McCormick, Curt Schilling, Tommy Bond, Charlie Buffinton, Tony Mullane, Bob Caruthers, Wes Ferrell, Rick Reuschel, Kevin Brown, Jim Whitney, Luis Tiant, Bobby Mathews, David Cone, and Urban Shocker.

[gregndodgers]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

Alright, fine, you can vote for him. But first you have to vote for Roger Clemens, Jim McCormick, Curt Schilling, Tommy Bond, Charlie Buffinton, Tony Mullane, Bob Caruthers, Wes Ferrell, Rick Reuschel, Kevin Brown, Jim Whitney, Luis Tiant, Bobby Mathews, David Cone, and Urban Shocker.

I would vote yes for all the pitchers on this list that I actually saw pitch including Clemens, Schilling, Kevin Brown, Tiant, and Cone. They were all top pitchers during their era, and unless they killed a person with no justification, I would let a person in. For the ones like the black Sox who threw games, a lifetime ban is sufficient punishment. For steroid users, take their stats pre steroid use, and use only those stats to vote yes or no.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by gregndodgers

I would vote yes for all the pitchers on this list that I actually saw pitch including Clemens, Schilling, Kevin Brown, Tiant, and Cone. They were all top pitchers during their era, and unless they killed a person with no justification, I would let a person in. For the ones like the black Sox who threw games, a lifetime ban is sufficient punishment. For steroid users, take their stats pre steroid use, and use only those stats to vote yes or no.

That's fine. Almost all of them should be in. But the votes are quite limited, so if we're going by JAWS it'll take many more years before Cicotte is the most deserving pitcher not in the Hall. In the meantime you also have to vote for Greinke, Kershaw, Sherzer, and Verlander.

And that's if you decide to use all your votes for pitchers. Otherwise I'm not sure he could get it in within the next 40 years. But they keep changing the committee rules so who knows.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

That's fine. Almost all of them should be in. But the votes are quite limited, so if we're going by JAWS it'll take many more years before Cicotte is the most deserving pitcher not in the Hall. In the meantime you also have to vote for Greinke, Kershaw, Sherzer, and Verlander.

And that's if you decide to use all your votes for pitchers. Otherwise I'm not sure he could get it in within the next 40 years. But they keep changing the committee rules so who knows.

Greinke, Kershaw, Sherzer, and Verlander will be on the BBWAA ballot not the Era Committee ballot so they won't impact potential votes for Cicotte. However, you're right that there are many other pitchers (and position players) likely to receive votes before someone decides to vote for him.