Hey, pennant guys

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Chstrite

NFS - Another All Star Pennant added to the collection. A few years ago I started chasing all the AS game pennants Brooks Robinson appeared in from 1960 - 1974. This is a variation pennant. I also have the one with the player names on it from 1966 with red letters white background. I was very surprised to learn about this variation. It is in great shape. Happy collecting.

Beauty.... Congrats!

Did you ever find the super-tough 1964 ASG Pennant (played in NYC?) If not, there are two on eBay right now. I know you were looking for one a while back.

[Chstrite]

Yes. Found one a while ago. Thanks for mentioning though.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Thoughts on this listing??? As a Tigers fan I've never seen this one before or style, I'm leaning towards fake.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17708554510...Bk9SR4r6qsfYZQ

I think the market has spoken. $305, and probably not worth that.

[thetahat]

Recent acquisition. Do the Tigers collectors know anything about this? I can't find another example ...

[Duluth Eskimo]

That’s a pretty sweet banner. I’ve never seen that one or one that early like it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Recent acquisition. Do the Tigers collectors know anything about this? I can't find another example ...

That’s sweet! Satin-like? How big is it?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That’s sweet! Satin-like? How big is it?

It’s about 40x28 inches. Yes it’s a satin-like fabric and the graphics are screened.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by thetahat

It’s about 40x28 inches. Yes it’s a satin-like fabric and the graphics are screened.

That’s a gorgeous banner Greg. Sweet pick-up!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

It’s about 40x28 inches. Yes it’s a satin-like fabric and the graphics are screened.

I think I missed the second picture, when I first saw your post. Is that stitch work to give it a “shimmering” effect? I’d love to know who made it.

Too bad you have no wall space!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I think I missed the second picture, when I first saw your post. Is that stitch work to give it a “shimmering” effect? I’d love to know who made it.

Too bad you have no wall space!

Yeah that’s a deliberate pattern in the fabric.

It came with a thick dowel and a rope to hang, but the dowel was broken. Off to Michaels for a replacement. I’ll find room for it.

On this note … what other “banners” do you guys have? It seems to be that the Tigers, Dodgers, and Reds have a few of these so I’m figuring Mark S. and Bumpus Jones have pics to share?

[ser1979]

These are the only two Tiger banners I own. I was watching the 34 banner and doing some research. Best I can tell is it was sold by the old Hudson store which use to be downtown Detroit on Woodward Ave. Hudson's was a big supporter of the Tigers and would always hang banners on their building during the season and WS. There is a version of the 68 banner I have that's white that was sold by Hudson's after the Tigers won the WS.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ser1979

These are the only two Tiger banners I own. I was watching the 34 banner and doing some research. Best I can tell is it was sold by the old Hudson store which use to be downtown Detroit on Woodward Ave. Hudson's was a big supporter of the Tigers and would always hang banners on their building during the season and WS. There is a version of the 68 banner I have that's white that was sold by Hudson's after the Tigers won the WS.

Did someone buy that 1934 banner????? That thing is 60 feet tall!!!!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Did someone buy that 1934 banner????? That thing is 60 feet tall!!!!

That raises a question … what if that 1934 banner on the side of the building survived. Maybe it did. What would it fetch in auction? So big you literally can’t do anything with it …

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ser1979

These are the only two Tiger banners I own. I was watching the 34 banner and doing some research. Best I can tell is it was sold by the old Hudson store which use to be downtown Detroit on Woodward Ave. Hudson's was a big supporter of the Tigers and would always hang banners on their building during the season and WS. There is a version of the 68 banner I have that's white that was sold by Hudson's after the Tigers won the WS.

Those are awesome, Stephen! Love the ‘35 especially.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

That raises a question … what if that 1934 banner on the side of the building survived. Maybe it did. What would it fetch in auction? So big you literally can’t do anything with it …

Stephen said he was “watching it.” That made me think it was in an auction.

edit: I guess he meant your banner.

[ser1979]

On the topic of "Banners & where are they now"......

This banner hung in the Tigers hallway from the locker room to the field during the 84-championship season. There were rumors that the banner survived and was discovered when Tiger stadium was torn down but, I've never seen evidence of it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ser1979

On the topic of "Banners & where are they now"......

This banner hung in the Tigers hallway from the locker room to the field during the 84-championship season. There were rumors that the banner survived and was discovered when Tiger stadium was torn down but, I've never seen evidence of it.

That looks more like a giant sticker…kinda like the thing in tatters below it.

[thetahat]

This will have to do for now, next to the hot water heater. Probably better in a frame.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

This will have to do for now, next to the hot water heater. Probably better in a frame.

Amazing!

[Domer05]

In the 1960s the Dodgers sold a series of banners branded as "war towels." These were sold at the stadium and available for purchase via the team's mail-order catalog for $1 each.

I always thought these banners were screen printed. They were not. Most likely they were manufactured by a company called Superior Hand Blocked Textile Co. As their name suggests, they printed these banners on 100% woven cotton twill using the hand block printing method. Hand block printing involves carving a design onto a block and stamping it onto the fabric.

Superior made others similar novelty items for the Dodgers; and, most likely, other teams. I believe they also manufactured a popular item known as the "crying towel" which featured crying mascots representing all of the AL and NL teams.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

In the 1960s the Dodgers sold a series of banners branded as "war towels." These were sold at the stadium and available for purchase via the team's mail-order catalog for $1 each.

I always thought these banners were screen printed. They were not. Most likely they were manufactured by a company called Superior Hand Blocked Textile Co. As their name suggests, they printed these banners on 100% woven cotton twill using the hand block printing method. Hand block printing involves carving a design onto a block and stamping it onto the fabric.

Superior made others similar novelty items for the Dodgers; and, most likely, other teams. I believe they also manufactured a popular item known as the "crying towel" which featured crying mascots representing all of the AL and NL teams.

Would love to find the "War Cry Towel". Just another item to add to the "They could never make it today" list.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Would love to find the "War Cry Towel". Just another item to add to the "They could never make it today" list.

I don’t believe there’s a Giants crying towel. Giants fans don’t cry.

[rlevy]

I used to have all 3 towels displayed along with my pennants. And it was ok until my granddaughters learned to read and I had to try and tell them why it was ok to use terms like "Moider", "Hang", "Poison" and "Kill" players on the other teams. So I sold the War Cry towel to a local collector who is trying to obtain every items ever offered in the Dodgers mail order catalogs. I thought that was nuts, but he actually has most of the items. The War Cry towel was one he was never able to find, so he was happy to get mine. Oddly, I still have the other 2 towels which are quite similar in word usage still on display, I just moved them into a corner.

Rick

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by rlevy

I used to have all 3 towels displayed along with my pennants. And it was ok until my granddaughters learned to read and I had to try and tell them why it was ok to use terms like "Moider", "Hang", "Poison" and "Kill" players on the other teams. So I sold the War Cry towel to a local collector who is trying to obtain every items ever offered in the Dodgers mail order catalogs. I thought that was nuts, but he actually has most of the items. The War Cry towel was one he was never able to find, so he was happy to get mine. Oddly, I still have the other 2 towels which are quite similar in word usage still on display, I just moved them into a corner.

Rick

I like the idea of trying to get everything from a team’s mail order Golden Age, which for the Dodgers and Giants, I would put at 1958-68. I’ve seen 5 for $6 Weirdo bobbing heads in a Dodgers catalog. Worth $6-7000, today. Does your buddy have those?

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I like the idea of trying to get everything from a team’s mail order Golden Age, which for the Dodgers and Giants, I would put at 1958-68. I’ve seen 5 for $6 Weirdo bobbing heads in a Dodgers catalog. Worth $6-7000, today. Does your buddy have those?

Yes Rob, he has all the Weirdos and several walls displaying bobbleheads. It is interesting what he is missing, things like 12" cloth tall dolls, made in Japan, that came in sets of four. He has two, but missing the batter and catcher. He also needs the exceedingly rare 1963 Sandy Koufax Strike-out game, the top of which was made with thin cardboard and is almost always found in bad shape if at all. I have a really nice one which he wants, but I am holding on to it for now.

BTW, I have an extra 1965 Murder the Minnesota Twins banner if any one is looking for one. A little faded, which is pretty normal for these 1965 banners. The 1963 banner is much more available is great condition as there was a warehouse find of these about twenty-five years ago.

Rick

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I don’t believe there’s a Giants crying towel. Giants fans don’t cry.

Too used to misery, no more tears remaining.



Says the guy whose team doesn't have many problems winning their division, but after that they're Mendoza line level.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by rlevy

Yes Rob, he has all the Weirdos and several walls displaying bobbleheads. It is interesting what he is missing, things like 12" cloth tall dolls, made in Japan, that came in sets of four. He has two, but missing the batter and catcher. He also needs the exceedingly rare 1963 Sandy Koufax Strike-out game, the top of which was made with thin cardboard and is almost always found in bad shape if at all. I have a really nice one which he wants, but I am holding on to it for now.

BTW, I have an extra 1965 Murder the Minnesota Twins banner if any one is looking for one. A little faded, which is pretty normal for these 1965 banners. The 1963 banner is much more available is great condition as there was a warehouse find of these about twenty-five years ago.

Rick

Wow. You're friend has a pretty impressive collection. I struggle to find the mail order catalogs let alone all of the items sold in them.

[ser1979]

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

I would try a bleach pen.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likly make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ser1979

Anyone have any tricks or tips on how to get ink pen off a pennant?

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likely make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

[UKCardGuy]

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

With pennants it's hard to say. They're largely uncharted territory (except for feltfootball.com, the largest pennant gallery in the known universe and, of course, pennantfever.weebly.com the ultimate encyclopedia of pennant history).

The most prominent auction houses in the industry know basically jack sh*t about them, are regularly fooled by repros and act as if they're "little boy" every time they're confronted with the impossible mission of shipping one.

As Kyle has shown, there have been a littany of producers with varying degrees of artistic talent and quality control.

So...IMO...Anyone that says with certainty that your spine is fubar is likely FOS themselves.

It does look funky...wavy...and not Louvre ready. But...

Who cares?

It's a rare, beautiful pennant.

Again...Just IMO.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

A agree with Rob. It's more likely this was just the result of poor quality control than some modern attempt to doctor the spine, or replace it.

It's also a cool design. Enjoy it!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likly make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

Yup, here too, I'm in agreement with Rob. Painting over it may just be your best bet.

I bought this 1959 WS champs pennant a few weeks ago. A previous owner (perhaps the 9-year-old kid that took it home from the Coliseum in 1960) doctored the artwork by outlining the stadium in black marker (and, enhancing three other secondary colors).

I tried to remove the black ink by rubbing a Q-tip soaked in rubbing alcohol over the black ink, which sat entirely atop the white underbase that Trench screened on to the pennant. Results were mixed. Yes, it gradually removed some of the black ink; and, it did not harm the white underbase at all. Problem was the red dye that the felt was made of: it had become very unstable over the years, and the alcohol was causing more of its removal than the black ink. So I quit.

And turned to Plan "B." Sharpie makes a product called a "paint pen." And, they sell one in white. It's basically a felt-tipped marker that permits a heavy paint (not ink) dispersion. The paint is oil based, which means it's opaque enough to mask the black ink I was trying to cover. At the same time, the paint wasn't so thin that it ran all over the place, ruining the art.

This was what I used: https://www.amazon.com/Sharpie-Oil-B...IMS99GTX&gQT=1

After four coats, leaving 20 minutes of drying time between applications, I was very pleased with the result....

Anyway, try the rubbing alcohol method first. It can't hurt the white underbase. If it works, awesome. If not, consider the paint pen method?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Well, we seem to be on a real Tigers run on this thread lately. Here's another one that just arrived today.

The spine looks a bit wonky. I'm not sure if it's just poor quality control at the manufacturer or if sone's tried to reapply it. It's a fairly scarce pennant so there's not too many photos that I can compare it against.

I'd welcome you're thoughts?

It looks legit to me. But generally speaking, hold up to a light and look for pre-existing stitch holes. Easiest way to tell if your pennant has been re-spined. I think you will find yours is okay. Something to look out for in Trench pennants since bugs and/or moths tend to enjoy their spines.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

IMO...Your best bet would be to paint over it. Any attempt to erase or remove will likly make it look worse. You can get some fine tip brushes and antique white paint. Even if the white isn't perfect, it would look better than pen.

You convinced me. Strike my bleach pen idea from the record.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

After four coats, leaving 20 minutes of drying time between applications, I was very pleased with the result....

Anyway, try the rubbing alcohol method first. It can't hurt the white underbase. If it works, awesome. If not, consider the paint pen method?

Nice job Kyle! If only it was as easy as Photoshop.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

It looks legit to me. But generally speaking, hold up to a light and look for pre-existing stitch holes. Easiest way to tell if your pennant has been re-spined. I think you will find yours is okay. Something to look out for in Trench pennants since bugs and/or moths tend to enjoy their spines.

Thanks guys. No pre-existing stitch hole, so it's just sloppy manufacturing. Not sure who made these but I really like the design.