Eddie Cicotte's HOF chances - should he get in? Will he?

[Jsquared123]

Originally Posted by jayshum

His peak is 3 out of his last 4 years so not very long. Why would you give him credit for another 2 years that he didn't pitch? It's not like he was serving in the military. He was thrown out of baseball for helping throw World Series games.

No arguments here but there are some that will feel that because he is now eligible and "forgiven", he was robbed of a few years at the end of his career that could have really put him over the top. He was acquitted criminally and maybe if Landis didn't rule with an iron first, all their punishments might be more lenient, aka miss 1 year and come back and finish up. Who knows..

I have no problem either way if he goes in or not.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Jsquared123

No arguments here but there are some that will feel that because he is now eligible and "forgiven", he was robbed of a few years at the end of his career that could have really put him over the top. He was acquitted criminally and maybe if Landis didn't rule with an iron first, all their punishments might be more lenient, aka miss 1 year and come back and finish up. Who knows..

I have no problem either way if he goes in or not.

I can see more people feeling that way about Weaver than Cicotte. Also, it's obviously impossible to know what Cicotte would have done if he had pitched longer, but with the introduction of the livelier ball, he might not have done much to improve his overall stats.

[nat]

Sign me up for team "no and no" also. Although he's reasonably close and might have made it if not for... you know... the thing.

As a guy with a HOF collection, it doesn't matter all that much to me whether he gets in or not. But I really hope they don't put in Jackson. A Cicotte card I can afford. Jackson though

[z28jd]

He would be borderline with me if he didn't have a hand in the World Series fix. To me it's the same as my personal thoughts on Andy Pettitte and Todd Helton, though more so with Pettitte.

Helton is borderline for me, but he was a habitual drunk driver, which is a big no for me. So I would have never voted for him. He didn't learn his lesson when he was charged the first time, then he doubled down on it and did something worse (who knows how many times he wasn't caught, or caught and let go). So he doesn't belong in Cooperstown.

Pettitte is the better example though. He is a borderline player, could go either way. He admitted steroid use once, then came clean and said he did it multiple times. Steroid use should be factored into stats. I'm okay with Bonds and Clemens being in because they were HOF players without it. I'm also okay with them waiting to get in. When a fringe HOF player has a red flag, then no thanks. His steroid use made him a fringe candidate. Stay out.

Ciccotte is that fringe/red flag guy. I'm also not in the camp that since Helton is in, then I should overlook a red flag. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather 100 guys threw games than one guy drove drunk, so I'm not comparing their mistakes. Putting him in because Helton is in is not learning from mistakes.

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