Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe Jackson Reinstated by MLB

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by AMPduppp

I think it's important to note the Hall's voting criteria (emphasis is my own):

Voting: Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

In that vein, I think it makes perfect sense for the Hall to not elect a child rapist, regardless of his accomplishments on the field. Usually, having sex with children isn't a sign of great character.

Just curious what about Roberto Alomar who is in HOF and who is also on Baseballs Ineligible List???


In 2021, Alomar was banned from baseball by MLB following an independent investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct, dating back to 2014.[6][7] In April 2021, the Blue Jays also announced that Alomar would be removed from the Level of Excellence and his retired number banner would be taken down at Rogers Centre.[8] The Blue Jays have subsequently reactivated the uniform number 12, and it has been used by Jordan Hicks in 2023. He remains the only player in history to be a member of both the Baseball Hall of Fame and MLB's permanently-ineligible list simultaneously.

[AMPduppp]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Just curious what about Roberto Alomar who is in HOF and who is also on Baseballs Ineligible List???


In 2021, Alomar was banned from baseball by MLB following an independent investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct, dating back to 2014.[6][7] In April 2021, the Blue Jays also announced that Alomar would be removed from the Level of Excellence and his retired number banner would be taken down at Rogers Centre.[8] The Blue Jays have subsequently reactivated the uniform number 12, and it has been used by Jordan Hicks in 2023. He remains the only player in history to be a member of both the Baseball Hall of Fame and MLB's permanently-ineligible list simultaneously.

Personally, I wouldn't have an issue if the Hall decided to rescind his nomination. If the Hall's standards say a player's election is based on their character and integrity, then I'm fine with them removing players when new information comes out that would no longer fit that criteria. Plus it wouldn't be the first time someone was removed from a Big 4 Hall- the Hockey Hall of Fame removed Alan Eagleson after he was convicted of embezzling player pension funds.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by AMPduppp

Personally, I wouldn't have an issue if the Hall decided to rescind his nomination. If the Hall's standards say a player's election is based on their character and integrity, then I'm fine with them removing players when new information comes out that would no longer fit that criteria. Plus it wouldn't be the first time someone was removed from a Big 4 Hall- the Hockey Hall of Fame removed Alan Eagleson after he was convicted of embezzling player pension funds.

I did not know that Roberto Alomar was on the baseball ineligible list since 2021. Apparently I missed that story. However, I'm not surprised that he hasn't been removed from the Hall of Fame. If O.J. wasn't removed from Canton, it seems like that's not something that will happen often. Apparently stealing money from your fellow players is enough for hockey.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Just curious what about Roberto Alomar who is in HOF and who is also on Baseballs Ineligible List???


In 2021, Alomar was banned from baseball by MLB following an independent investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct, dating back to 2014.[6][7] In April 2021, the Blue Jays also announced that Alomar would be removed from the Level of Excellence and his retired number banner would be taken down at Rogers Centre.[8] The Blue Jays have subsequently reactivated the uniform number 12, and it has been used by Jordan Hicks in 2023. He remains the only player in history to be a member of both the Baseball Hall of Fame and MLB's permanently-ineligible list simultaneously.

Maybe I'm tripping up on semantics here, but weren't both Mickey and Willie (as mentioned by another poster) also banned from baseball while members of the Hall. AFAIK, their standing in the Hall did not change with Kuhn's ruling.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Maybe I'm tripping up on semantics here, but weren't both Mickey and Willie (as mentioned by another poster) also banned from baseball while members of the Hall. AFAIK, their standing in the Hall did not change with Kuhn's ruling.

You are 100% correct.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Maybe I'm tripping up on semantics here, but weren't both Mickey and Willie (as mentioned by another poster) also banned from baseball while members of the Hall. AFAIK, their standing in the Hall did not change with Kuhn's ruling.

Their bans were mostly temporary. And only lasted as long as they were doing PR for casinos. If I remember it right Willie was contracted for a year and after that was back in. Didn't know about Mantle, but probably a similar situation

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by steve B

Their bans were mostly temporary. And only lasted as long as they were doing PR for casinos. If I remember it right Willie was contracted for a year and after that was back in. Didn't know about Mantle, but probably a similar situation

I thought Peter Ueberroth lifted their bans from baseball when he became commissioner.

[steve B]

A few thoughts.

The difference between Jackson and Rose.
Jackson may have thrown the series, as a talented player he could have failed in the right spots while playing well in others.
While they probably knew what they did was wrong, it wasn't yet against the rules (as far as I know. )

Rose - every day of his career walked past a sign saying gambling was against the rules and would result in a ban. Every day for 20+ years....
And at some point despite being told every day not to do it he went ahead and did it anyway.


And since this is a sports card and memorabilia group..
We're on page 4 and apparently have forgotten that along the way to the record for hits sold bats supposedly from a particular hit multiple times. So there are say two or more bats from hit 4101 out there. All hard to prove as game used since he was using at least one for every at bat. (I'm ok with one or more bats per AB, but not selling more than one as "the bat that got this hit"

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Maybe I'm tripping up on semantics here, but weren't both Mickey and Willie (as mentioned by another poster) also banned from baseball while members of the Hall. AFAIK, their standing in the Hall did not change with Kuhn's ruling.

That was a controversial move Kuhn made.
They were not betting or accussed of gambling.
They were signed as spokesman for a casino and Kuhn was worried about perception vs reality.
IT was also very quickly changed