SGC vs PSA , cards with qualifiers

[homerunhitter]

Do vintage topps cards in PSA slabs with a qualifier sell decently or are they frowned upon by collectors?

[refz]

I do not line qualifiers, I feel a MC or MK to a certain extent should fall into a certain grade range. On the other end I hate how sgc treats erasure labeling as altered. It should be a 1.5 or 2 or whatever depending on appeal

[JustinD]

Not a fan of qualifiers in the least and happy they seem to be going away. I am one who stays away as well. If it has a grade it should be a true grade and not a “if it wasn’t for this issue” imaginary grade. I find it as annoying as BCCG grading.

I love the honesty and clarity of an authentic or altered grade and have both in my collection. I don’t have a single qualified card as I have cracked any that may have come in. I would rather have it in a one touch.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Qualifiers vs lower grade with no qualifiers..makes no difference to me. I buy the card, not the grade.

[JollyElm]

For me, it always comes down to a simple reason.

Since the most often used/discussed (I assume) qualifier is the OC, let me present this.

Here are a pair of nearly identical cards, one being a PSA 8 OC and the other being a straight PSA 6.

• The one with the OC is entirely more 'accurate' to me, because the label intimates, "This card has all of the attributes of a PSA 8 card, BUT it is off-centered.
• However, since the PSA 6 has the same type of bad centering, it's nearly impossible to see it and know that it was 'lowered' to a PSA 6, BECAUSE it's off-centered.
It is much more likely that a person looking at it will think it is a PSA 6 THAT IS ALSO badly off-centered...and in essence nothing but a PSA 4 (value-wise).


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[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

For me, it always comes down to a simple reason.

Since the most often used/discussed (I assume) qualifier is the OC, let me present this.

Here are a pair of nearly identical cards, one being a PSA 8 OC and the other being a straight PSA 6.

• The one with the OC is entirely more 'accurate' to me, because the label intimates, "This card has all of the attributes of a PSA 8 card, BUT it is off-centered.
• However, since the PSA 6 has the same type of bad centering, it's nearly impossible to see it and know that it was 'lowered' to a PSA 6, BECAUSE it's off-centered.
It is much more likely that a person looking at it will think it is a PSA 6 THAT IS ALSO badly off-centered...and in essence nothing but a PSA 4 (value-wise).

That's a very valid point I hadn't considered. To be more accurate, it should be a PSA 8 OC, not a straight 6. They really shouldn't allow us to choose "no qualifiers" if they want to be accurate.

[icurnmedic]

I’m guessing the one on the right is the 8oc?

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

That's a very valid point I hadn't considered. To be more accurate, it should be a PSA 8 OC, not a straight 6. They really shouldn't allow us to choose "no qualifiers" if they want to be accurate.

SOOOO - Is the the 6 the card on the left?????

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

For me, it always comes down to a simple reason.

Since the most often used/discussed (I assume) qualifier is the OC, let me present this.

Here are a pair of nearly identical cards, one being a PSA 8 OC and the other being a straight PSA 6.

• The one with the OC is entirely more 'accurate' to me, because the label intimates, "This card has all of the attributes of a PSA 8 card, BUT it is off-centered.
• However, since the PSA 6 has the same type of bad centering, it's nearly impossible to see it and know that it was 'lowered' to a PSA 6, BECAUSE it's off-centered.
It is much more likely that a person looking at it will think it is a PSA 6 THAT IS ALSO badly off-centered...and in essence nothing but a PSA 4 (value-wise).


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Good points Darren. I generally don't mind qualifiers.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Qualifiers vs lower grade with no qualifiers..makes no difference to me. I buy the card, not the grade.

I am in this camp. I don't have many altered cards though (at least graded that way, who really knows?)

My favorite MK qualifier is a tiny erased mark, with only the indention left, on a blank back. Think '21 Exhibit Ruth (I don't own one yet).....would be a 1 to 1.5 with said erased mark, but could otherwise be a 3-4.
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[toledo_mudhen]

I think, at some point, that the TPG who also includes an "explanation" of the grade assigned will have a huge leg up on all of the others.

I know that in my recent experience with SGC - I got a bunch of 3s & 4s on cards that I knew were easily 5s & 6s and when I contacted them to ask for some "additional" remarks on what they had seen to cause the low grade - I was told that - "Yea, we don't do that"

Great Response SGC - Note to self "SGC not going to be my 1st go to option" on future card grading.

For those of you who have been following my rants - I know that it sounds like total sour grapes and that I must be an idiot. However, I do "Know what I Know" and have been a vintage card collector (and TPG Submitter) for nearly 30 years. This one isn't going to "go away" any time soon.

Mudhen - Out

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Leon

I am in this camp. I don't have many altered cards though (at least graded that way, who really knows?)

My favorite MK qualifier is a tiny erased mark, with only the indention left, on a blank back. Think '21 Exhibit Ruth (I don't own one yet).....would be a 1 to 1.5 with said erased mark, but could otherwise be a 3-4.
.

I love marked cards. I can get a nice card with a little ink on the back for a nice discount.I just crack it after because I don’t like the grade. I want it to enjoy and look at. I will not buy OC unless it’s the reverse giving it that, simply because I just don’t like them graded or not. Different strokes for different folks.

[BioCRN]

Since we're talking about marks on cards and grading, for those out there sensitive to owning cards with marks you're going to want to check anything SGC 2.5 or below closely because they allow them through the 2's.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JustinD

Not a fan of qualifiers in the least and happy they seem to be going away. I am one who stays away as well. If it has a grade it should be a true grade and not a “if it wasn’t for this issue” imaginary grade. I find it as annoying as BCCG grading.

I love the honesty and clarity of an authentic or altered grade and have both in my collection. I don’t have a single qualified card as I have cracked any that may have come in. I would rather have it in a one touch.

I am in this camp. I don't want a fake grade "IF" the card didn't have the very obvious problem it does have. I avoid them like the plague and think they are overpriced even at the low prices they get.

With qualifiers every card in my collection is a GEM MINT 10 including the ones that look like I left them in a puddle of muddy water. Qualifiers just seems WAY beyond silly to me.